Frozen Whispering Tunic (Rogue ToV BP)

[Tyler]

Moved something around - will see after next reload/file.

[Koeril]

Still not stacking ... same as before. If I do epic first, daggerfall kills it. However, this time I noticed that I don't get a error in stacking message when I do daggerfall first and try to epic click. The epic actually does fully cast now, but the buff still doesn't take.

[Tyler]

Something for the pros (Got to love saying that hah). Although that qualifies me as a noob - hm.

[Koeril]

Well looks like y'all did a ninja fix and daggerfall/duelist now cooperates with the 2.0 clickie. Great job and thanks! However, there is still some angst between deadly precision and epic click.

[TheBloodmoon]

So, any idea to fix the original idea of this post? Rogue ToV BP? Or do we still need to see some parses first?

[Tyler]

Yea well lol - orignial topic got a bit derailed. Tbh, some parses can never hurt!

[Koeril]

Well, I have no hard data, but I will tell you this: Monkz grossly outdamages Pie (with 2.5) and myself (with 2.0) by some very decent DPS. If you guys are fine with monk DPS, then yes Rogue DPS could use a bit of a nudge.

I'll parse on one of the crash test dummies (zombies) tonight, but I'm still lacking a 2.5 aug.

[Jeido]

Monkz (2.5, ST lure proc weapon, 2 ToV augs) parses about 3-3.5k consistantly without bard buffs. With bard buffs, bard epic click, and discs I pulled off 5.9k DPS on a 5 mill HP mob.

Our ST raid monkz was always up from the 4-5k range according to my parses, but this is with bard procs/+30% dmg songs/panther/sham epic 2.0 click etc etc.. Also, I had the bards debuff the mobs so that the monk/shamn proc would land almost every time (wanted to see my max dps possible).

Also, Monkz has the ele leather sleeves which give a 70% fire focus (this effects the monk 2.0 clicky, as well as the shaman 2.0 clicky which are both fire based). This helps boost damage also, and I'm sure if Hans/Pie got a foci like it then they would benefit even more (due to their nuke being a lure, monk is only draught -- -10 resist check).

Rogues could use a boost though, I'm not saying they couldn't. I also wanted to point out though that neither of the rogues are really up-to-par gear wise compared to Monkz Also, no other group ever has the shaman epic click (which is improved accuracy + that proc) so the numbers are inconsistant. Next raid I'll see if I can put together a group that can clarify some of this, i'll just need to tell pie to not be half AFK like he likes to be . I just hope his dagger was fixed and has the correct backstab damage by Sunday..

Edit: you know now this has me thinking. Tyler, when you put in the 2.0 did you give it the correct backstab damage? Also the augs, do they have backstab damage? I know that the issue with the backstab damage table was a while back, and I just want to make sure it wasn't forgotten about with newly added items. Can't really make adjustments to rogue DPS if their weapons aren't even doing the damage they should with backstab><

[Tyler]

Assassin's Strike, 5 mins recast on ToV BP for now, until someone cries that that's too much.

All recent Daggers have +BS skill and damage. So if there is still somewhere a hidden table etc,that might be.

[Koeril]

I know Tyler already put the Rogue ToV effect in, but I promised a parse so here ya go.

Here is a parse I did last night against Dozekar when I ran into Progeny on their way to kill him. I am Sune buffed along with your typical Shaman DPS buffs and the only chaotic on me that I saw was Chaotic Focus. I wasn't using Jerant so this is a pure full DPS parse giving as much as I could. Weapons 2.0 (main with +3 and +6 augs) and Ifir (offhand with +6 aug).

This includes procs ... 1743.9 pure melee.

Hans -vs- Dozekar the Cursed: -- DMG: 350720 -- DPS: 2113 -- Scaled: 1981 -- Backstab: 162514 -- Pierce: 126967 -- Hit: 61239 -- Non-crit rate: 69.6% -- crit rate: 30.4% -- Attempts: 782 -- Hits: 573 -- Missed: 209 -- Accuracy: 73.3% -- Avg Hit: 612 -- Max hit: 10208 -- DMG to PC: 0

As far as the offtopic theme of the Ifir backstab damage, here are a couple parses I did of 180s of only backstabs against Vlar. The only thing changed between parses was the weapon arrangement - the other weapon was put into offhand to maintain exactness in stats and mods. I think the numbers speak for themselves.

Ifir (54 base damage - 1047/2094 high end hit):
Hans -vs- Vlar: -- DMG: 37838 -- DPS: 213 -- Scaled: 213 -- Backstab: 37838 -- Non-crit rate: 65.1% -- crit rate: 34.9% -- Attempts: 52 -- Hits: 43 -- Missed: 9 -- Accuracy: 82.7% -- Avg Hit: 879 -- Max hit: 2094 -- DMG to PC: 0

Epic 2.0 (53 base damage - 2552/4602 high end hit):
Hans Hans -vs- Vlar: -- DMG: 65334 -- DPS: 367 -- Scaled: 367 -- Backstab: 65334 -- Non-crit rate: 54.5% -- crit rate: 45.5% -- Attempts: 43 -- Hits: 33 -- Missed: 10 -- Accuracy: 76.7% -- Avg Hit: 1979 -- Max hit: 4602 -- DMG to PC: 0

Strange that the crit on the 2.0 isn't exactly double, but in theory the high end crit should read 5104.