Fearsome Shield Suggestions.

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Venge
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Fearsome Shield Suggestions.

Post#1 » Wed May 12, 2010 2:22 am

The Fearsome Shield is the best dropped shield in the game. A lot of people understand why it needed to be Nerfed. An if you don't understand then to bad. These suggestions are to help tank classes keep agro better during a single raid boss encounter.

Fearsome Shield
MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO TRADE
Slot: SECONDARY
AC: 155
Skill Mod: dEFENSE +17%
Focus: True Swiftness
Effect: Chaotic Elixir (Must Equip, Casting Time: 1.0) (Level 0) Reusetime: 10min
STR: +15 STA: +15 AGI: +25 DEX: +25 WIS: +5 INT: +5 CHA: +15 HP: +650 MANA: +650 Endurance: +650
SV FIRE: +25 SV DISEASE: +35 SV COLD: +35 SV MAGIC: +25 SV POISON: +15
Avoidance: +15
Damage Shield: +4
Combat Effects: +10
Spell Shielding: +3%
Stun Resist: +5%
Required level of 70.
WT: 0.1 Size: LARGE
Class: WAR CLR PAL SHD
Race: ALL
Slot 1: Type 8
Slot 2: Type 16
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Suggestions to replace only the effects to add agro control.
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What the shield has on it at the moment:
Focus: True Swiftness
Effect: Chaotic Elixir (Must Equip, Casting Time: 1.0) (Level 0) Reusetime: 10min
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Lets start with the focus effect on it. Tanks really don't need this spell because we can get it from a Ldon slot 2 aug.

We can replace this with a:

Focus Effect: Echo of Anger VI
Agro Multiplier of 30% - Best in game since this is the best DROPPED shield you can get.
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Now lets take a look on the Click effect that is on the shield now. Cleric bots cast this spell along with Cleric, & Shaman Players. It is pointless to have a effect like this with a 10min reuse time. Even if the reuse time was reduced the spell would get dispelled or casted over top of by one of the three that cast this spell mentioned above.

At the moment in the game as the dps'ers grow with more dps, their agro rip effect increases. Tanks agro control needs to be adjusted also. Just today my rog bot ripped agro off me 3 times during a min. long term fight. It is my understanding that this also happens to Harney (Warrior class).

Again these are just suggestions to help with "Single Target Mobs" Agro control.

We can replace the click effect with:

Click effect:

Frenzying Blow
Instant cast, no reuse delay , no duration.
1:Increases Hate by 950

Bazu Bellow / Feral Roar VI
Instant cast, 30sec reuse delay, 1min (10 tick) duration
1:Increases Hate by 600
2:Increases Hate by 100

Domination
Instant cast, no reuse delay, no duration.
1:Stun 1sec
2:DD 300dmg
3:Increases Hate by 500

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Again keep in mind that this Shield is the best on the server that is Dropped off a Raid Encounter. The only other Shield that was Geared towards tanks is the:

Yakatizma's Shield of Crafting
MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO TRADE
Slot: SECONDARY
AC: 140
Effect: Yaulp VI (Must Equip, Casting Time: Instant) (Level 0)
STR: +25 STA: +25 AGI: +25 DEX: +25 WIS: +25 INT: +25 HP: +475 MANA: +475 Endurance: +475
SV FIRE: +30 SV DISEASE: +30 SV COLD: +30 SV MAGIC: +30 SV POISON: +30
Avoidance: +35
Damage Shield: +5
Dot Shielding: +5%
Mana Regeneration: +5
Shielding: +5%
Required level of 70.
WT: 8.0 Size: LARGE
Class: WAR CLR PAL SHD DRU SHM NEC WIZ MAG ENC
Race: ALL
Slot 1: Type 8

But even this shield had its down fall due to the Buff slot it needed for the click effect. Drops in ToV off Vulak. Tier 2. When the Fearsome Shield is dropped off a Tier 6 Raid Encounter.

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GM's Please take in consideration of these suggestions about this shield. Thank you.

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Please Add your suggestions / comments / flames below. Thank you for reading my post. Stay on topic please.

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Tyler
Posts: 4365

Re: Fearsome Shield Suggestions.

Post#2 » Wed May 12, 2010 9:17 am

It's also an awesome shield for each and every cleric and i guess they won't be too happy with an Echo of Anger Focus on it ;)

It's a shield for Plate classes, not for tanks.
Item Change -> Reload needed
Spell Change -> Reload AND new Spellfile needed

Harney
Posts: 333

Re: Fearsome Shield Suggestions.

Post#3 » Wed May 12, 2010 9:53 am

I said before in game that I liked the elixir click a lot on it, and I haven't changed my mind at all, voting to keep it as is.
Harney

Kron
Posts: 227

Re: Fearsome Shield Suggestions.

Post#4 » Wed May 12, 2010 9:58 am

Tyler wrote:It's also an awesome shield for each and every cleric and i guess they won't be too happy with an Echo of Anger Focus on it ;)

It's a shield for Plate classes, not for tanks.


Venge makes a really good point. We all understand why the shield was nerfed - this we accept.

However the clicky on the shield is not really useful in two regards. Firstly cleric bots will chain cast this on you when you drop in health so its there anyways. Secondly even if you dont have a cleric bot the cast time is 10 minutes. That means during a fight you will cast it once only should you choose to (which i dont understand why someone would)

Venge has clearly explained the problems inherent with aggro control so i dont see the need to elaborate on what he mentions.

Cant there be a compromise here in just make two versions of the shield? 1 for Tank (SK and Paladin) and one for clerics / any other healer? They could be the same stats but just different click effect.

Just brainstorming ideas....
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Tyler
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Re: Fearsome Shield Suggestions.

Post#5 » Wed May 12, 2010 10:02 am

Or maybe we leave this item as it is (save for maybe tweak the recast delay) and create another item that does what you want ? :)

Btw - im stunned to read that a bot would cast a custom spell. Im sorry i didn't know they had access to that. It will be fixed. The custom spells are a feature for actual players so they are invited instead of Bot XYZ.
Item Change -> Reload needed
Spell Change -> Reload AND new Spellfile needed

Kron
Posts: 227

Re: Fearsome Shield Suggestions.

Post#6 » Wed May 12, 2010 10:05 am

Tyler wrote:Or maybe we leave this item as it is (save for maybe tweak the recast delay) and create another item that does what you want ? :)

Btw - im stunned to read that a bot would cast a custom spell. Im sorry i didn't know they had access to that. It will be fixed. The custom spells are a feature for actual players so they are invited instead of Bot XYZ.


Thats just a typo i got my spells mixed up

Anyways looking forward to your changes..
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Tyler
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Re: Fearsome Shield Suggestions.

Post#7 » Wed May 12, 2010 10:06 am

Ah ok - so to double check - bots are not casting any custom spells, whether its PoFire/PoAir/Rank1-3 spells etc?
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Spell Change -> Reload AND new Spellfile needed

Kron
Posts: 227

Re: Fearsome Shield Suggestions.

Post#8 » Wed May 12, 2010 10:10 am

Tyler wrote:Ah ok - so to double check - bots are not casting any custom spells, whether its PoFire/PoAir/Rank1-3 spells etc?


When i get in game i will let you know, or someone else wants to do it on my behalf please let Tyler know.

Sticking to the topic, can you suggest what changes you will propose based on the feedback provided on the shield.
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Tyler
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Re: Fearsome Shield Suggestions.

Post#9 » Wed May 12, 2010 10:15 am

If single target agro used by Knights and Warriors is indeed an issue, we will have an Item drop in the new ST parallel zone.

This is the first time i heard about agro related issues tho, so i'd rather hear some feedback from others in the Class Balance section.
Item Change -> Reload needed
Spell Change -> Reload AND new Spellfile needed

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Expletus
Posts: 284

Re: Fearsome Shield Suggestions.

Post#10 » Wed May 12, 2010 10:57 am

I rip agro from pallys in a matter of minutes. Warriors not so much.

I think throwing a simple fix on some items like "Ferocity VIII" needs to be looked at. I see more items with the same effects that would benefit from other useful effects.
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