The Hidden Forest

I have addressed this to one of the GM's and was told to post about this issue.

Since the upgrade of Shield of the Dracoliche the single target agro on it for a lack of better word "Sucks". The delay on this clickie is 6 sec and as a cast time of .5 sec. Again we run into the same issue of holding Melee agro.

As a pally I have a proc spell that helps me keep agro. But I have to chain cast my ToV legs witch have the same Hate increase of 1000 and 3 more stun effects on it. With no delay and its a AE effect. I know I dont suck as a tank. But Just doing sleepers today with the guild. I Lost agro 3 times! With Venge, Volgar, and Todd killing and ripping agro.
Chain casting ToV legs + Taunt + Bash + some Melee when in the middle of chain casting Legs. Still was not enough Hate / Aggro Multiplier to keep the mob on me. (This does happen with Mob's in Fear and PoAir.) If you look at the resist on it.........Clearly you see that using the ToV legs are still better to use then the shield. Maybe another suggestion is to maybe remove the casting time to instant cast with maybe a 1sec or .5sec recast time. List below are the item's I talk about and This post is only speaking about the Click effect on this shield.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Shield of the Dracoliche
MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO TRADE
Slot: SECONDARY
AC: 155
Skill Mod: dEFENSE +17%
Effect: Furious Bash VII (Worn) (Level 0)
Effect: Force of Hate (Must Equip, Casting Time: 0.5) (Level 0)
STR: +15 STA: +15 AGI: +25 DEX: +25 WIS: +5 INT: +5 CHA: +15 HP: +650 MANA: +650 Endurance: +650
SV FIRE: +25 SV DISEASE: +35 SV COLD: +15 SV MAGIC: +25 SV POISON: +25
Avoidance: +20
Damage Shield: +5
Combat Effects: +15
Stun Resist: +5%
Required level of 70.
WT: 0.1 Size: LARGE
Class: WAR CLR PAL SHD
Race: ALL
Slot 1: Type 8
Slot 2: Type 16

Spell Description
Name : Force of Hate
Classes :
When cast on you : You are stunned by the force of Hate.
When cast on other : is stunned by the force of Hate.
Mana : 100
Skill : Evocation
Casting time : .5 sec
Recovery time : 0 sec
Recast time : 6 sec
Range : 200
Target : Single target
Resist : Magic (adjust: -150)
Duration : Instant

Spell Effects
1 : Effect type : Stun (4 sec)
2 : Effect type : Increase hate by 1000


ToV Legs
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Frozen Dawnseeker's Leggings
MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO TRADE
Slot: LEGS
AC: 97
Effect: Avariciousness of the Ikaav (Focus)
Effect: Knight's Power (Casting Time: 0.5 sec)
STR: +25 DEX: +25 STA: +30 WIS: +25 AGI: +25
HP: +435 MANA: +435 Endurance: +435
SV FIRE: +20 SV DISEASE: +40 SV COLD: +40 SV MAGIC: +20 SV POISON: +20
Avoidance: +5
Attack: +40
Damage Shield: +5
Dot Shielding: +5%
Regeneration: +5
Mana Regeneration: +5
Endurance Regeneration: +5
Shielding: +5%
Required level of 70
WT: 10 Size: LARGE
Class: PAL
Race: ALL
Slot 1, Type: 8 empty

Spell Description
Name : Knight's Power
Classes :
When cast on you : Your anger begins to rise.
When cast on other : 's is impressed by the power of the Knight.
Mana : 0
Skill : Alteration
Casting time : .5 sec
Recovery time : 0 sec
Recast time : 0 sec
Range : 200
Target : Area of effect around the caster
Resist : Magic (adjust: -500)
Duration : Instant

Spell Effects
1 : Effect type : Stun (1 sec)
3 : Effect type : Increase hate by 1000
4 : Effect type : Stun (1 sec)
5 : Effect type : Stun (1 sec)

This is confirmed and witnessed it today first hand.

Aggro control is extremely difficult for hybrid tanks and they need better support to keep single target aggro. When our paladin lost aggro today it was nigh on impossible for him to regain it back from a rogue (who had already "escaped" and backed out for a while - relatively).

This server allows tanks other than warriors to be viable during raids to take the hits from bosses. In the current setup they are being hindered by their inability to regain aggro.

I implore the GM's to look into this

To summarize, the effect on Knights Power is superior than the Force of Hate when it comes to taunt?

Changed cast stuff to instant and 3 secs recast for now.

It is in the mix of trying to keep agro. Melee + Taunt + Bash + Legs and still can't keep up enough agro/hate on the mob to not have it rip off to a dps class.

Instant cast to improve melee buff proc hate's.
Maybe Increase the Hate effect to 2500 with no stun and no dd. If you are going to have a recast delay effect on the Click.

Most mob's that we do fight we can't be chain AE taunt because

A: Your the main tank.
B: The encounter has a mini boss spawn that needs to be dragged out away from fight by another off tanker.
C: You dont have high enough AC to handle all the Add's dealing with AE taunt. (Discs are down)

Aggro is getting ripped alot more then it should. Spamming 1,2,3 + melee + Proc's is not cutting it. Some fights are long and the tank can not stand toe to toe with the encounter to build up aggro till 90% so that the dps'ers can start there attack.

Ok then we need a more general apprach to aggro and should look into tuning the high end Shield available for tanks.

What is the best agro tool currently available? Raw hate doesn't necessarily mean its the best agro, least not on EQEmu.

Best single target agro would just be a instant click hate buff that does not interrupt melee swings that also proc melee hate buffs. There is a BP someone linked one day in ooc that has this instant click hate on it with no recast time. Only thing is it has to be equipped....I really wish i had the name of the BP for a rerf. It looked to be around 80ac base on it. I would not use it do to the large -AC hit I would take from using it during a Raid encounter.

Ok but what do you think is currently the best hate proc/buff/ability in game? I'd like to use that as reference.

Found that bp with the instant clicky on it.

Wind-worn Chestplate
MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM
Slot: CHEST
AC: 89
Effect: Anger
STR: +17 DEX: +16 STA: +15 WIS: +10 INT: +10 AGI: +10 CHA: +10
HP: +245 MANA: +245 Endurance: +245
SV DISEASE: +13 SV COLD: +10 SV MAGIC: +10 SV POISON: +13
Avoidance: +1
Dot Shielding: +1%
Shielding: +1%
Combat Effects: +1
Accuracy: +1
Spell Shielding: +1%
STRikethrough: +1%
Stun Resist: +1%
Required level of 65
WT: 8.5 Size: LARGE
Class: BRD SHD PAL CLR WAR
Race: ALL
Slot 1, Type: 8 empty

This item is dropped :
In Bastion of Thunder by
Gaukr Sandstorm

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

As far as the best Single target agro effect in game......I would have to say

Frenzying Blow
Instant cast, no reuse delay , no duration.
1:Increases Hate by 950

or

Spell Description
Name : Terror of Discord
Classes : Shadow Knight (67)
When cast on you : Your mind is consumed with nightmares.
When cast on other : is consumed by nightmares.
Mana : 100
Skill : Alteration
Casting time : 0.5 sec
Recovery time : 2.25 sec
Recast time : 6 sec
Range : 200
Target : Single target
Resist : None (adjust: 0)
Duration : Instant

Spell Effects
1 : Effect type : Increase hate by 500
2 : Effect type : Increase hate by 1500
3 : Effect type : Stun (1 sec)
Items with that spell
Spell: Terror of Discord (77072)

Is the best one but its the casting that kills melee agro + procing hate. The recast delay on it is fine but its the casting that kills melee.

Say I am tanking and All i'm doing is Casting and casting the ToV legs + Taunt and Bash....I have to stop to cast spells also = Melee and Dps aggro/hate decreases by a large amount.

That BP is getting hit by the Nerfbat - sorry but that is waaaaaaaaaay too powerful with a recast. Thanks for bringing this up.

Anytime.....Take a loot at "Zones" and look at Todd's post please.