Underfoot choppy in forest

[Denizen]

Here's an epic fail Bluffer Bloat as rated by dslreports.com/speedtest

[Syong]

What zone was that in?

[Denizen]

The take home message should be that there are so many things going on in the internet that it is unreasonable to assume it is the THF server. ANYTHING from the server to your computer could be a part of the problem. We just have had the bufferbloat tests made easily available to the public, although the problem has been known in the internet for years.

The information in the posts above is just a way of testing the quality of your internet connection. The test developers actually advise not to have your computer and internet doing anything to do but the test. The first test above was done in Vex Thal with 4 groups (24 characters) being simultaneously handled by my internet connection across 3 workstations. The second test was done with nothing going through the internet but the test. The point is...it is NOT bandwidth per se.... with 24 characters active I only use about 8 mbps of bandwidth including both uploads and downloads. What IS the problem is what the internet connection does when being used.

As the graphs and grade (F) try to show, when more bandwidth is used the upload speed gets hugely delayed, over a half second. In Vex Thal during a fight I can have one character seeing a dead boss and the other character lagging as much as 5 minutes behind seeing the same boss at 60 percent. This of course, really sucks.

Bufferbloat occurs because your IP and all the internet connections twixt you and the THF server use memory to even out the flow of traffic, so that delayed internet information forms Buffer Bloat.

The idea to cure this is to have your router the slowest link in the chain between your computer and the THF server and then have new and specialized queue algorithms mitigate that problem. As a result, none of the memory storing devices between the THF server and your router are activated and things move fast. Only at your router do they slow down. The cheapest and one of the best cures is said to be provided by a good router with firmware provided by DD-WRT and/or LEED. You can also buy a router with this all set up but for considerably more: IQRV2 Self-Optimizing router with dual band WiFi (AC1750). This runs about $150, DD-WRT solution for about $40.

Good article and more info can be found at:

viewtopic.php?f=30&t=13586

I'll let you folks know what the new router I'm getting (option 1 via ebay) works in about a week. Mine will be a new application as the router I am getting will be only used as a bridge between my switch and a load aggregator (Peplink) that adds together four 10 mbps connections to the internet. So in my rather archane case the new router will be the slow point in the chain with the Peplink and everything else in the system running wide open.

[Denizen]

Here's a graphical representation of bandwidth used by my router when 12 characters (two groups) take down Zethurim, The Plagued. The fight takes place during the right quarter panel in the graph.





As you can see total download bandwidth peaks at 5.29 mbps and total upload peaks out at .467 mbps.

So if lag exists during this fight (usually Nadox is pretty nice) it is from BufferBloat or machine settings rather than bandwidth limitations.

[Ryzen]

Hey guys, I would like to second the argument of the forest being uber laggy.

Syong (aka Kryo) sent me the link to the this discussion. So I came over before class to test both comps side by side with the same internet connection. (Keep in mind the laptop is WiFi connected obtaining better results vs desktop/hard wired.)

I would like to propose the fact that it could be new hardware vs old hardware issue.

Syong rig:
CPU: AMD FX-6300
GPU: AMD Rad R9 380
Memory: 8G
OS: Win 10 64-bit

My old Laptop is running:
CPU: i5-2540M
GPU: Nvidia NVS 4200M
Memory: 8G
OS: Win 10 64-bit

What do you guys think?

[Syong]

Yeah, I highly doubt it has anything to do with internet connection. I clock 20ms 120mbps download and 11mbps upload (hardwired). Just tried UF client on an old laptop and it's working flawlessly.

My desktop:

Edition: Windows 10 Pro - 64bit
Processor: AMD FX-6300 six-core 3.5Ghz
GPU: Radeon R9 380 Series.
Motherboard: ASUS 970 PRO GAMING/AURA AM3+
8GB RAM

The lag is in some custom zones including: Shadow Haven, The Forest, The Guild Hall, The Hidden Vale, to name a few.

Also in Shadow Haven, I've gone LD numerous of times - not from connection, but from the scripting error (can't recall the error code). This was while using Titanium. The lag has been pretty intense on UF so I haven't tried going back.

[Denizen]

are you running both video cards in similar performance modes?

Did you copy the UIs and settings for running THF UF from one computer to the other so they are identical?

Have you reset your net connections on the slow / laggy systems Windows Settings -> Network & Internet -> bottom right Network Reset?

[Syong]

The laptop has the highest quality with everything on and my PC has everything off with the lowest quality.

I'm not too sure what you mean by, "Network reset".

I haven't reviewed the installed EQ files on the laptop yet, but I plan on it. Anything specific I should be looking out for?

[Syong]

So, after deleting the eqclient.ini file, the lag seems to have disappeared. So far I've done this on two computer systems and the result is the same - lag free. Thanks for your help and suggestions!

[Dred]

So, after deleting the eqclient.ini file, the lag seems to have disappeared. So far I've done this on two computer systems and the result is the same - lag free. Thanks for your help and suggestions!

This worked for me as well. I won't have time to do any full group testing for a few days but tried it on my main toon and was able to run around in several zones normally. Thanks