The Hidden Forest

I'd like to start by saying I have done this exact same thing on my own personal server, and what I found was that while it was fun to see on lower characters it made it impossible to do on higher level raid mobs who would normally max hit for 3500, were then hitting for 7000 damage.... add in quadable and un-slowable and this made for a nearly impossible fight for a guild going through progression.

Just my two cents. I love the server but this seems like it has the potential to really set the progression we hoped to make way, way back.

Desimus wrote:I'd like to start by saying I have done this exact same thing on my own personal server, and what I found was that while it was fun to see on lower characters it made it impossible to do on higher level raid mobs who would normally max hit for 3500, were then hitting for 7000 damage.... add in quadable and un-slowable and this made for a nearly impossible fight for a guild going through progression.

Just my two cents. I love the server but this seems like it has the potential to really set the progression we hoped to make way, way back.

I've considered this too, but I doubt it will be much of an issue. It may add in a few more near-deaths or DI saves, but it won't break raids by any means. The crit rate is very minimal, what was it 3% for npc's? It's *very* unlikely that the mob would crit more than once in a blue moon. It might make it a bit more spiky at times, but that's about it. Gear is good enough as you progress where one crit hit usually won't kill you if you weren't meant to die to the mob anyway.

The only thing I see this negatively effecting is tanking raid mobs without defensive. You'll be much more likely to be 1 rounded with that odd crit, but hey raid mobs aren't meant to be tanked without defensive anyway. I kind of like the addition, it adds a little more umph to raids. One more random variable to watch out for...keeps things fresh and spontaneous.

I'm sure that is very true for you and where you guild is right now, but for us up and coming little guys this is just one more thorn in our side. We are scrapping by on a few mobs as it is and I fear this may prevent us from farming the stuff we need in order to gear everyone well enough to progress on to the next level... I'll leave it at that and when more experience is acquired with this new change I will report my findings

The Shissar Assassin double critted me for 4k a couple times today. Taking a quick 8k in damage was quite the surprise. It was only an issue when he did it twice in a row. Luckily my clericbot was able to save me.

Aruun wrote:The Shissar Assassin double critted me for 4k a couple times today. Taking a quick 8k in damage was quite the surprise. It was only an issue when he did it twice in a row. Luckily my clericbot was able to save me.

Well if double crits become a common occurrence then I definitely agree it could be game breaking raid wise, providing chances for even defensive tanks to get 2-3 rounded. Still, I don't think anything should be done until a raid is played to test how common it happens.

I agree some testing needs to be done. I was just posting an observation. It made a dull camp briefly exciting. hehe

For me today kobold priest critted 6 times during the course of a fight, 3 of those were back to back. Luckily a lot of those crits tend to be criticals of low damage hits (making a critical of like 20 dmg) although in the case of this mob those three crits were 1.1k 1.8k and 1k, but either way they do land back to back sometimes.

Its not just raid mobs, even 1 group named at the moment this is taken from the same fight within seconds of each other:



Warrior with 2800+ AC



Cleric with 2000 AC

Please check your math, there is no way it is 3% chance.

And his max hit on Allaclone is 2200 which makes sense on the crits but he's also unslowable.

Combat:BaseCritChance (this is for npcs) - 3% (was 0)

No math involved, but yeah maybe it should be removed and/or decreased to 0.5% or something. If it's going to be in for npc's, it should be a very rare occasion rather than a common occurrence imo...

Ok thanks for the feedback guys. We will most likely adjust this setting. It was not our intention to break current encounters, be it single or raid.