warlgor wrote:blique wrote:Others among us, even those of us who have "one of the top tanks and and avg. more at raids then any otehr guild that I see", think that things should be balanced more reasonably toward the median denominator - which quite frankly, would be a selfish thing to argue against.
I fully agree with you there. I think content should be able to be beaten without any donor items, I think they should simply be a unique and useful alternative to raid gear. My shadowknight buffs to 16.5k AC and he's non-donor, and he is one of the top (if not the best) completely donor-free tanks on the server. My warrior on the other hand is the highest AC/HP and most heavily donor'd tank on the server. he buffs to 30k AC 122k HP. That's almost twice as much AC, and over twice as much HP. Is that ridiculous? Absolutely it is. Do I think donors need to be nerfed? Yes I do, even though that probably won't happen.
Now, with all of that said:
Tier 8, from volkara to the chaos, has been 12 boxed by many people (most of the events are 3-6 boxable). Noren, one of the first few people to 12 box the chaos, had < 5 total donor items between all 12 of his toons. As it is right now, it's fine in that regard. Is there a bottle neck? Yes, a big one. But part of that is because it's easy. You don't need any donor gear to 12 box any event in t8. It's been proven. Making it even easier certainly isn't going to make the bottleneck any better
I know it's frustrating trying to beat content in a contested zone when you only have a limited amount of time before other people swoop in to take it out, but let's be honest, difficulty isn't the problem here. Also, most people are nice enough to run others through the content, which is one of the many benefits of the open raid zone. I've personally ran countless people through every event in HoH (including various people from drachenkinder and NV) and I know every single one of my guildies has done the same thing
Would I like to see the content harder? A little, yes. It's a little weird that someone can get flagged for HoH and then 12 box all the raid mobs with no donors in less than two months of getting flagged. Am I pushing for it to be made harder? Not really. I'm just tired of seeing this zone get altered. I think it's fine. I'd really like the GM's to be dedicating their time to releasing new content instead
A lot of what you say here, is true. But I'd add the caveat that none of this happens without macros. Nobody 12 boxes any of that, without third party. Its allowed, don't get me wrong, but its part of it, and that needs to be included in the discussion. It just tends to get my dander up when people mention making it harder - I tend to perceive that through a lense of skepticism, when past events are taken into account, and I have very little tolerance for it. I do not like elitism, and I perhaps perceive it wrongly at times. I tend to come off a bit harsher than perhaps I intend, and for that I apologize to beat.
But, you're right - the difficulty at this point, isn't the problem - its the availability that's the issue, and that sadly isn't going to be changed. What that boils down to for everyone concerned in HOH though, is that for some, that content is a daily routine, and for some, its an occasional target of opportunity.
In my view, that's the very definition of flawed, where an emu server is concerned - and I'm pretty sure that's not a minority viewpoint. /shrug
Its not going to change, though, so theres nothing more to really say.
