Ranger Request Thread

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Tyler
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Re: Ranger Request Thread

Post#51 » Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:03 am

Imo Rangers are very well meant to use weapons.

They are one of the very few classes that get DA and DW. Tells me something right there. In comparison to other classes that also can use Bows (war, sk, pal, bard, rog) they can augment their techniques to do a lot more damage with Bows, have unlimited arrows and stuff like that. So obivously, they are good at doing it both ways!

So. if a Ranger is supped to do 90% of Rog DPS, he will do 80% of 90% with his Bow which is 72% of the Rog dps. Or in other words 1000 DPS from Rog will do 720 Dps on the Bow. Trueshot again doubles this to 1440 right?

We can up Bow damage to be 90% of melee damage i guess. But again, i need detailed parses from other, high end rangers against Vlan so we have a good data basis.

Edit: Edited and swap around some numbers and a new conclusion!
Item Change -> Reload needed
Spell Change -> Reload AND new Spellfile needed

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Re: Ranger Request Thread

Post#52 » Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:58 am

Here's some new Melee Parses:

2294 Attack
110 Haste (10% overhaste from Emp Boots)
No Panther

Vlan on 12/16/2009 in 1001sec

Total
--- DMG: 1210044 (100%) @ 1209 dps (1209 sdps)

Rerfu
--- DMG: 1210044 (100%) @ 1209 dps (1209 sdps)

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Rerfu -vs- Vlan: -- DMG: 1210044 -- DPS: 1209 -- Scaled: 1209 -- Slash: 554649 -- Crush: 409967 -- Hit: 245428 -- Non-crit rate: 62.8% -- crit rate: 37.2% -- Attempts: 5559 -- Hits: 4199 -- Missed: 1360 -- Accuracy: 75.5% -- Avg Hit: 288 -- Max hit: 2600 -- DMG to PC: 0

2294 Attack
110% Haste
Panther

Vlan on 12/16/2009 in 1001sec

Total
--- DMG: 1813051 (100%) @ 1811 dps (1811 sdps)

Rerfu
--- DMG: 1813051 (100%) @ 1811 dps (1811 sdps)

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Rerfu -vs- Vlan: -- DMG: 1813051 -- DPS: 1811 -- Scaled: 1811 -- Hit: 782305 -- Slash: 616785 -- Crush: 413961 -- Non-crit rate: 71.9% -- crit rate: 28.1% -- Attempts: 6785 -- Hits: 5439 -- Missed: 1346 -- Accuracy: 80.2% -- Avg Hit: 333 -- Max hit: 2600 -- DMG to PC: 0

Doing a Bow Parse ask we speak. edit: Bow parse on hold busy helping guild when I get a spare moment I will.

Melee Weapons were:
1.5 with Underbulk Bladder and Cold Fungus Stone
Dain Hammer with Cold Fungus Stone

Spells:
Ancient: North Wind
Frost Wind
Rotated on Recast

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Re: Ranger Request Thread

Post#53 » Wed Dec 16, 2009 12:22 pm

So Panther adds roughly 600 dps when dual wielding.
Item Change -> Reload needed
Spell Change -> Reload AND new Spellfile needed

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Re: Ranger Request Thread

Post#54 » Wed Dec 16, 2009 12:24 pm

Another Melee DPS Parse with Panther, Actual mob this time:

2424 Attack
100 Haste (forgot to click)
Ancient North Wind
Frost Wind

Melalafen on 12/16/2009 in 339sec

Total
--- DMG: 1400740 (100%) @ 4132 dps (4132 sdps)
--- DMG to PC: 236999 @701dps

Rerfu
--- DMG: 449059 (32.06%) @ 1329 dps (1325 sdps)
--- DMG to PC: 5807 @22dps

Daddy
--- DMG: 430068 (30.7%) @ 1276 dps (1269 sdps)
--- DMG to PC: 4759 @16dps

Thedankdeeps
--- DMG: 266232 (19.01%) @ 788 dps (785 sdps)
--- DMG to PC: 138 @138dps

Harney
--- DMG: 255381 (18.23%) @ 753 dps (753 sdps)
--- DMG to PC: 226295 @670dps

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Rerfu -vs- Melalafen: -- DMG: 449059 -- DPS: 1329 -- Scaled: 1325 -- Hit: 255351 -- Slash: 116299 -- Crush: 77409 -- Non-crit rate: 72.7% -- crit rate: 27.3% -- Attempts: 2176 -- Hits: 1685 -- Missed: 491 -- Accuracy: 77.4% -- Avg Hit: 266 -- Max hit: 1300 -- DMG to PC: 5807

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Re: Ranger Request Thread

Post#55 » Wed Dec 16, 2009 6:00 pm

After Nigrog telling me I'm a noob and that the hammer should go in the mainhand:
2468 Attack
110% Haste
Ancient: North Wind on Recast no other spells.
Panther
Champion

Vlan on 12/16/2009 in 1002sec

Total
--- DMG: 1919239 (100%) @ 1915 dps (1915 sdps)

Rerfu
--- DMG: 1919239 (100%) @ 1915 dps (1915 sdps)

Special: 7: 7th yr vet G: Glyph K: Kiss S: Staunch X: Slain $: Saved by DI
Produced by GamParse v1.0.2

Rerfu -vs- Vlan: -- DMG: 1919239 -- DPS: 1915 -- Scaled: 1915 -- Hit: 768143 -- Crush: 677574 -- Slash: 473522 -- Non-crit rate: 100% -- Attempts: 6916 -- Hits: 5729 -- Missed: 1187 -- Accuracy: 82.8% -- Avg Hit: 335 -- Max hit: 2600 -- DMG to PC: 0

I did Warders Wrath and 1.5 for the heck of it but they didn't seem to add a significant amount of damage I might have hit a critical hits cap.

And the other difference for this parse is that I got Precision of the Pathfinder 3/3 instead of 2/3.

Dain's Hammer Mainhand
1.5 Offhand
No Spell Damage Focus.
Cleave V
Ferocity III

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Re: Ranger Request Thread

Post#56 » Thu Dec 17, 2009 12:18 am

Upgraded 4 Pieces of Armor to ToV: Chest, Legs, Gloves, Arms. Will Re-parse later on.

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Re: Ranger Request Thread

Post#57 » Thu Dec 17, 2009 7:42 am

Thanks Rerfu - if someone could summarize a conclusion of ToV Geared melee vs ToV geared Bows - much appreciated.

Same goes for ST GEared melee vs Bows etc.

I see Jeido is slacking!
Item Change -> Reload needed
Spell Change -> Reload AND new Spellfile needed

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Re: Ranger Request Thread

Post#58 » Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:08 am

I feel like the bow should be moved to an easier mob.

Dagarn is easily the 2nd hardest raid mob in the zone, and its not like there are swarms of rangers waiting for the NToV bow. Plus the effort of killing him and getting a bow as rot loot will be frustrating in weeks / months to come.

Maybe move the Bow of the Destroyer to the mob to the right of the Invul mob in the zone. With the little well. He almost always drops rot or bot loot because people have 1.5 / 2.0 and such shortly after that.

Plus, once you get your solid first group into Sleeper you will get an Oaken Crossbow quickly.

I've given up on the Bow as DPS aspect for the Ranger now that I have my EToV armor, but I will continue to parse for balancing purposes.

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Re: Ranger Request Thread

Post#59 » Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:28 am

Rerfu wrote:I've given up on the Bow as DPS aspect for the Ranger now that I have my EToV armor, but I will continue to parse for balancing purposes.


I don't understand that conclusion. You give up on a bow because you have etov armor? Or am i reading that wrong.
Item Change -> Reload needed
Spell Change -> Reload AND new Spellfile needed

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Re: Ranger Request Thread

Post#60 » Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:39 am

Can't get the Destroyer Bow to drop, my armor is now up to par with the other melee in my guild. I've finished off all useful AA for the ranger class. Melee Proc Clicky from Chest and Pants. The gap is so wide that its not worth it anymore unless it means certain death for said ranger in melee.

The panther proc that you added was a good idea, but poor implementation in my humble opinion. Any time I'm using my Bow ranged as utility damage if I'm not sitting in AE/Rampage range the Panther Maw is out of range.

I'm fine with ranger melee damage, its solid as a rock. But without an appropriate Bow I can't give you an accurate parse. Jeido is convinced that the test mob gives a Ranged DPS reduction, I honestly do not think so. But, until we have the same gear can't really test that.

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