Berserker DPS

[Jugganot]

I know theres been comments already posted about Berserker DPS. I have the donator weapon, and ther CoH donator ring, and alot of sleeper / tov/ ldon gear and am still getting out DPS'd by a warrior of the same caliber.

I don't know if maybe something can be done about this like a mod to 2handers, or a couple extra slot 8's on 2handers to make up for the lost slots vs 1handers.

Another thought i had is that Berserkers are suppose to be a good DPS melee class as well as a decent ranged DPS class with axes. I was wondering if there could be good axes implemented so the berserkers ranged dps could be good but not as good as rangers.


Thanks, The Jugganot : )
Fusion - Berserker

[Kron]

Having played with the above berzerker and analysed various parses between him and my warrior and i can confirm that the DPS of berzerkers is severely lacking relative to other DPS classes.

The donator axe for the berzerker should not be out dpsed by a warrior with two donator items - period. This makes the class pretty much redundant as the main forte of a berzerker is to DPS, not tank, heal, charm etc, but DPS and lots of it.

Maybe this is the reason why I never see many players playing a berzerker.

I implore the GM's to look into the above

Happy to post parses....

[Lillu]

we'll look into it.

[Kron]

we'll look into it.

Thanks, look forward to your findings

[ChaosSlayer]

if you guys would post links for warrior and Zerker 2.0, donators weapons for 2H and dual 1h choices for warrior, we can see whats there =)

[Jugganot]

Well zerker is http://www.thehiddenforest.org/magelo/c ... r=Jugganot

Warrior is http://www.thehiddenforest.org/magelo/c ... ?char=Kron

Both have donator / donators and very similar gear. ( zerker is deleveld currently powerleveling but is 70 lol)

[ChaosSlayer]

hmm given that at this level DA and DA is almost 100%, its a simple ratio of numbers.

Warrior is wielding 2x 60/20 weapons (base ratio 3.0) with damage augments:

+7, +9 in one (76/20 total)
and +7 in the other (67/20 total)

So we have dps rations of 3.8 + 3.35 = 7.15


while zeker has a single weapon 165/35 (base ratio 4.71) with a single augment:
+14 (179 total/35)

SO we have dps ration of 5.11

In my book, zerker has been owned

Zerker base weapon needs to come up about 210/35 to match just the BASE warrior weapons ratios. Though I would do something like 150/25 not to hit the dmg cap on the weapon stat variable.
And then Dmg augments available to zerker must have twice the amount of damage on them to counter for the warriors DW - which gets him double the number of augments.

Of course we also need to take into account an issue of triple attack AA, what its chance and if it affects the off hand. Cause if its not affecting the off hand, then when both have triple attack, warrior won't have twice amount of swing over zerker (6 vs 3), but only +2 (5 vs 3), which means zerker weapon needs to be 1/6th less effective than example I gave above, around 125/25 (ratio 5.0), which is better than what he has now.

And in either case- as I said, berserker DMg augments need to be TWICE as good than what warrior can get. (for example +18 dmg augment to counter warriors +9)

All above is based on what I know about raw damage - any experts feel free to correct me.

[Jugganot]

Right and thats just to keep up with a warrior let alone the other DPS classes.

[Jugganot]

Another thing i was thinking besides damage augs having to be double is the ability for the warrior to have double the proc effects to so an additional 2 procs with the extra slot 4 and 8

[Aruun]

We need to compare apples to apples here as well when considering balance. Comparing a Zerker with 16aa's to a Warrior with over 600aa's is like comparing a ranger to a cleric for dps. We all know that aa's change the output a huge amount. We need to see a zerker with full aa's and a donor weap against Kron to get a good feel for how the dps stands.

A zerker with minimal aa's and a donor weapon should not be out-dpsing a warrior with 600+ aa's and 2 donor weaps. There is a huge amount of DPS missing from Jugganot's abilities. I would see what he can do once he maxes out his offensive skills. I think you may be surprised at how much he changes.