Feedback for 2.0 Clicks Thread

[Taladome]

Whoaaa guess it sucks Im away from game a while luckily I saw this thread.

War proposal....coming from a main tank, hate it, not sure why any other high end tanks have stepped in and said so. War epic is very nice as is, you may call it a 3k every minute heal, but I call it a 3k group buff that will last for the duration of a fight or that can be recast very quickly if need be. You throw a 6k hp 60 sec duration buff on war epic your destroying it.

High end game those few hps matter in the long, not short run. Losing 6khp during a fight that lasts much longer than 60 sec can be very dangerous and is something else that others have to prepare for. Tanking is about mitigation and when heals are going fine that first minute, suddenly your tank is less 6khp, healing will have to be needlessly adjusted.

War epic is fine, if you wanna up it to 6k great but giving it a 60sec duration and long recast defeats the purpose. If people really want to complain about its current 1min recast Im fine with upping that as long as its recast is shorter than its duration.


Taladome

[Expletus]

Warriors:
Warrior 2.0 proposal is horrible. As Tala posted above, dropping 6k instantly is bad for a raid boss fight. I think however, an instant buff that increases mitigation by 50% that actually stacks with stonewall would be a good thing, after all it's only 60 seconds.

Rogues:
I would love to see a 60 second buff that either decreases all agro for the rogue or dumps all agro on the targets target increasing their hate. This would allow for easier control of the mobs during the raids for the main tanks. If that is impossible, how about the buff increases the groups mitigation by 35 percent. Or for 10 seconds all backstabs hit for 20k

[Tyler]

Ok,

about Wars - The new effect must meet the following criteria:

Must fit in 60 secs with 180 secs recast or be prolonged to 120 secs with 500 secs recast or 180 secs with 750 secs recast.

Must be an instant effect (like CLE Epic) with recast 1 minute.

Beside, i was more thinking you click the War Epic ONCE shit hits the fan, so kinda life saver, which is very powerful (insta 6k group heal, + dodge mod)

[Taladome]

Well I guess I must have missed something as to why there needed to be a change and must fit into 60 sec etc but anyway....

I guess were gonna have to settle for some huge recast because any nice buff that falls during a fight can easily decide that fight so Im leaning towards another defensive/mitigation buff no less than 3min duration(that will hopefully be effected by focus)

Beside, i was more thinking you click the War Epic ONCE shits hits the fan, so kinda life saver, which is very powerful (insta 6k group heal, + dodge mod)

Stuff happens too quickly for that to be reliable, and when that buff falls, you better hope its not when a bad flurry happens or a heal is off pace. Epics should be about helping your class do its job to its full potential. Helping tanks tank, clerics heal, dps dpsing etc. A 6k 60sec buff does not help me tank as the 3k long duration buff did.


Taladome

[khaliss]

Darn, more clickies to manage Was very comfortable with the old 2.0s, but oh well... Is there going to be a graphical/visual way to see the if the epics are on CD (like greyed out)? It looks like the new versions are okay (although I would suggest longer duration and cooldowns)... like 300sec duration... 5x longer cooldowns, so we basically only use them on hard fights. As for the warrior epic, I have to agree with Taladome here, BUT if a change is a must to be inline with the other epics, how about 360 sec duration (like defensive) & 10 min cooldown? Man, I'm going to miss that 3Khp semi perma group buff LOL.

[Taladome]

Darn, more clickies to manage Was very comfortable with the old 2.0s, but oh well... Is there going to be a graphical/visual way to see the if the epics are on CD (like greyed out)? It looks like the new versions are okay (although I would suggest longer duration and cooldowns)... like 300sec duration... 5x longer cooldowns, so we basically only use them on hard fights. As for the warrior epic, I have to agree with Taladome here, BUT if a change is a must to be inline with the other epics, how about 360 sec duration (like defensive) & 10 min cooldown? Man, I'm going to miss that 3Khp semi perma group buff LOL.

I hear ya khal one of the first things people asked for before a fight was war cast that buff to help with rampage/aes, and if groups were reorganized, cast again np. Gonna effect more than just wars on this one.

Taladome

[Tyler]

300 sec duration is out of question unless its a pet puff. As far as CD timer goes, do you see one now?

[Strumm]

I play a bard as a main and most of the time solo box so the clicky timmer on the epic 2.0 is of no consequence for myself. I however have found the new version to be on par with the 1.5 in terms of the purposed changes found in the 2.0 thread. I know the 1.5 version I have now is 25% dmg mod with health regen of 200 (iirc). Now these coupled with my songs, which already give 120mana regen and 60% spell max dmg, make the effort and time needed to obtain the 2.0 a little out of the way.

I agreed with the changing of the bard 2.0 (My jaw did drop the first time I saw the buff due to its sheer OP'ness) but what I was hoping for was a major change in the timer (mabye something similar to another song so that bards will have 5 songs instead of 4 constantly running), and a minor change in the actual stats of the buff. Now the mana regen instead of the health is a great idea because bards were never ment to be healers but I ask what about 50hps/mana to stack with hayden's song ( which I think are 25/30/35). That would bring about 260 or 270 per tick of health/mana per tick per min if they stack which I do not feel is OP. Secondly the dmg mod on the bard epic (25%) now is the same as the 1.5 which is "just ok" but what about 10% or even 5% dmg/crit/da mod if they were placed on a song type buff? As for the spell dmg mod I know 80% looks a lot better than 60% but honestly when I grp with my enchanter (which has a 10k nuke crit) the only time I see a minor change is when the spell is not partially resisted and it lands as a crit. (Also does the bard song stack with the wizzy familiar? I know when I first acquired the orcslayer song it did not stack with Veridians familiar) So why not make the song increase spell chance at crit as well? mabye 2/4/ or 6%?

Im done now and only wanted to share my idea. Thank you Devs and GMs again for a great server and your work required to maintain it.

[Lola]

Thanks for adding mana regen on Bard 2.0

I like the idea to click 2.0 when needed instead of buffing phase prior to fight.

Rampages and AoE's were not a threat as it has been explained in other threads (2.0 regens, spells regen, lifetap procs etc...). The way it is designed now will totally change:
Encounters approach.
Make boxers life harder (no box limit as most of THF players wanted it to be, but harder life)
Add difficulty to THF which has been nerfed to much since creation.

Ps: I am a boxer.

[Kron]

I would prefer mitigation but No need for a new discipline like stonewall

I would say for warrior some kind of passive ability buff for 60 secs like imrpoved dodge, parry 75%

If its for the type of situation where shit hits the fan then the 30 second furious would be very nice. Thats potentially bordering on overpowering but as an idea i am sure every warrior wouldnt mind seeing that.