The Hidden Forest

I did some parsing with monk and rogue. Both characters are equally geared, with the rogue being slightly better geared. Both using 2.0 in main and a tier 4ish offhand weapon.

Overall the gear is a mix of ST and Fire with some poair.

I ran several 3minute parses as i feel this i the optimal time when you factor in 2.0 clicks and reuse.

Buffs: Sune Buffs, Panther, Shammy 2.0, Bard overhaste/spell dmg 40% and Chaotic blade ( bard).
Abilities and discs: Only Flying king and Backstab.
Focus effect: Rogue, true fire, chromatic 5 Monk, chaotic fire. (no chromatic).
Mob: Cazic Thule

Monk: 4039
Rogue: 4215

Side notes: Monk's offhand does not have dd proc and is missing 2 type 8 augs. Monk does also not have chromatic focus.

I havent accounted for all combat effect items, i'll try to get some more details in future parses. From what i can see it seems monks are slightly higher than rogues in the tier 4 gear range.. considering the boost chromatic gives with both panther and chaotic blade. I might have missed some key things in items, if anyone wants to compare, magelos:
Monk
Rogue

(edit 2.5 not 2.0)

Sooo... what's the point of this post?

Aashe wrote:Sooo... what's the point of this post?

I cant say for him what this post is about, but i feel your question is somewhat ignorant depending on if you read anything about Tyler's class balanace list. What i took from the post is simply why is monk doing greater than or equal damage as the rogue, when Tyler's post places rogue's as the intended highest melee dps




To Kamelem, Im sure Tyler is going to want to see more accurate parses. For example you said something about one of the weapons missing augs, those augs could be proc augs or even dmg modifier augs, which would give you the more accurate parse than Tyler is going to want to see

~Rageful

unreel28 wrote:

Aashe wrote:Sooo... what's the point of this post?

I cant say for him what this post is about, but i feel your question is somewhat ignorant depending on if you read anything about Tyler's class balanace list. What i took from the post is simply why is monk doing greater than or equal damage as the rogue, when Tyler's post places rogue's as the intended highest melee dps




To Kamelem, Im sure Tyler is going to want to see more accurate parses. For example you said something about one of the weapons missing augs, those augs could be proc augs or even dmg modifier augs, which would give you the more accurate parse than Tyler is going to want to see

~Rageful

I actualy believe Zerker where suppose to be top melee DPS since they have no other options than to DPS.

Would it maybe be possible to post a more detailed parsed cause without checking each item and add together every mod and stuff it could be that the Monk might be slightly ahead gear wise maybe not on the first but the 2nd look like that the Monk has more accuracy than the rog.

I'll run a few more and post the results. Yeah monk is missing 2 weapon augs and the ST hammer dosnt have any dd proc. Really suprising that monk is that close to rogue with 2 augs missing and no chromatic focus, considering both have panther and chaotic blade.

I'm fine with monk being slightly higher than rogue or visa versa, they both offer great utility compared to other dps.

Sorta double post, already put this in the parse request list, throwing it here aswell for the sake of discussion.


From what i can see Monk has more attacks or attempts per min, which with raid buffs will help alot due to all the proc dmg. I also overlooked some key focus items with rogue that i'm sure will affect the dps alot.

Monk: Cleave 7, Feorcity 6, Dual Wield 15%, Double attack 15%, 125dd type 4 80% focus
Rogue: Cleave 7, Dual wield 15%, Offence 12%, 300dd type 4 80% focus.

Both have 80% fire for the other weapon proc's though rogue has fiery strike 9 in offhand while Monk has fiery strike 5. Both using 2.5 in main..


I'll see if i can get around todoing raid buff parses with all of them eventually, i would prefer waiting until i can get more equal focus items on. During a 5min fight the monk actually has around 100 more 'attempts' due to ferocity and doubl attack focus. This post i starting to become a wall of text, but thought i'd just throw the info out there for those interested




Heres the parse post;

Did 4 parses Monk, Rogue, Berserker and 2handed Monk(reparm staff with arbitor claw). They all got 2.5 and similar focus items. Monk and Rogue both have fire proc weapons with true fire, Berserker has Emp aug and sleeper fire focus. Rogue has slighty better overall gear than Monk, Monk has slightly better gear than Zerker.

Parses done with just sune buff's, autoattack and flying kick/backstab/frenzy/volley

Here are the results:
Monk:

-vs- Vlan: -- DMG: 735111 -- DPS: 2434 -- Scaled: 2434 -- Punch: 360590 -- Hit: 147350 -- Crush: 134919 -- Kick: 92252 -- Non-crit rate: 54,2% -- crit rate: 45,8% -- Attempts: 1695 -- Hits: 1355 -- Missed: 340 -- Accuracy: 79,9% -- Avg Hit: 542 -- Max hit: 1730 -- DMG to PC: 0

Rogue:

-vs- Vlan: -- DMG: 834219 -- DPS: 2781 -- Scaled: 2781 -- Backstab: 258423 -- Pierce: 207312 -- Crush: 202074 -- Hit: 166410 -- Non-crit rate: 52,7% -- crit rate: 47,3% -- Attempts: 1521 -- Hits: 1307 -- Missed: 214 -- Accuracy: 85,9% -- Avg Hit: 638 -- Max hit: 5104 -- DMG to PC: 0

Monk - Fiery staff of Zha, final Arbitor aug

-vs- Vlan: -- DMG: 678835 -- DPS: 2248 -- Scaled: 2248 -- Crush: 480271 -- Hit: 107882 -- Kick: 90682 -- Non-crit rate: 52,7% -- crit rate: 47,3% -- Attempts: 799 -- Hits: 565 -- Missed: 234 -- Accuracy: 70,7% -- Avg Hit: 1201 -- Max hit: 3924 -- DMG to PC: 0

Berserker

-vs- Vlan: -- DMG: 989248 -- DPS: 3287 -- Scaled: 3287 -- Slash: 836474 -- Hit: 152774 -- Non-crit rate: 44,4% -- crit rate: 55,6% -- Attempts: 976 -- Hits: 850 -- Missed: 126 -- Accuracy: 87,1% -- Avg Hit: 1163 -- Max hit: 2294 -- DMG to PC: 0

Edit: Ok, kinda botched the parsing, sorry! I can assure you they are all 300 seconds give or take a few seconds.. i deleted the monk log with dual wield but here is confirmation on the other toons:

Monk 2hander:

Vlan on 24.08.2010 in 302sec

Total
--- DMG: 678835 (100%) @ 2248 dps (2248 sdps)

Gandelor
--- DMG: 678835 (100%) @ 2248 dps (2248 sdps)

Berserker:

Vlan on 24.08.2010 in 301sec

Total
--- DMG: 989248 (100%) @ 3287 dps (3287 sdps)

Irualdin
--- DMG: 989248 (100%) @ 3287 dps (3287 sdps)

Rogue:

Vlan on 24.08.2010 in 300sec

Total
--- DMG: 834219 (100%) @ 2781 dps (2781 sdps)

Levandol
--- DMG: 834219 (100%) @ 2781 dps (2781 sdps)

So, BER is 1st, Rog 2nd, Monk 3rd.

All perfect or what am i missing here?

Yep, all good

phew