The Hidden Forest

This post is to put down some quick parse data regarding rangers at the highest tier.

This is not "accurate" in the sense that I did these parses in the guild hall using specific buffs for a period of time, and I will detail which buffs were used as needed. All parses were done on Vlad using the ranger Rangar. I generally use lots of buffs and will probably not answer questions regarding specific buffs because they can all be looked up on the THF spell database

Parse #1: Bard 2.0, Shaman 2.0, Ranger 2.0, Deathmarch IV, Gladiator rk 2, hawk's talon rk 1, Rage of the hunter, Power of the forest rk I, True howl, Talisman of sense, Talisman of might, Power of fear, aged power, Word of the Alchemist

Bard songs: Warmarch of the Muram (no chaos), Slayer's destiny rk1

Parse 1 RESULTS:


Vlad on 10/2/2011 in 214sec


Rangar
--- DMG: 5085363 (100%) @ 23763 dps (23763 sdps)
--- MAX HIT: 23526
Special: 7: 7th yr vet G: Glyph K: Kiss S: Staunch X: Slain $: Saved by DI
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Parse #2: Bard 2.0, Shaman 2.0, Ranger 2.0, Deathmarch IV, Gladiator rk 2, hawk's talon rk 1, Rage of the hunter, Power of the forest rk I, True howl, Talisman of sense, Talisman of might, aged power, Trusehot discipline, Flight of wilderness
Bard songs: Warmarch of the Muram (no chaos), Slayer's destiny rk1

Vlad on 10/2/2011 in 117sec

Rangar
--- DMG: 3563338 (100%) @ 30456 dps (30456 sdps)
--- MAX HIT: 31520
Special: 7: 7th yr vet G: Glyph K: Kiss S: Staunch X: Slain $: Saved by DI
Produced by GamParse v1.0.3

note: ran out of endurance for max dps parse. max hit is 33044 with all previous buffs subbing chaotic wilderness for trueshot discipline.

Parse #3: Deathmarch IV, Gladiator rk 2, hawk's talon rk 1, Rage of the hunter, Power of the forest rk I, True howl, Talisman of sense, Talisman of might, aged power, Power of fear
Bard songs: Warmarch of the Muram (no chaos), Slayer's destiny rk1

Vlad on 10/2/2011 in 261sec

Rangar
--- DMG: 3553572 (100%) @ 13615 dps (13615 sdps)
--- MAX HIT: 17816
Special: 7: 7th yr vet G: Glyph K: Kiss S: Staunch X: Slain $: Saved by DI
Produced by GamParse v1.0.3


The thought behind this third parse is to show the dps my ranger does with no cooldowns up. keep in mind with the AA's and dark enhancement, bard/ranger/shaman 2.0 would be up about 50 percent of the time while Power of fear is ALMOST 100 percent uptime. I have power of fear on for this parse.

to get a realistic measure of my rangers' dps with no cooldowns, I would take the average dps of parse 1 and parse 3. Parse 2 is more just to show the maximum output I can do with rangers . Each ranger doing over 30k dps is pretty disgusting for dropping bosses. There is still a lot I need to get done to increase my rangers' dps but this is where they currently stand.


EDIT: Spell Casting Reinforcement DOES affect duration of Trueshot Aura. 2 minutes and 40 second duration with the AA. I cannot confirm that it is only 2 minutes without the AA because all my rangers have the AA, is a must have IMO. (after EQ/AM3)

thanks and not too shabby

and are you sure you do 30k dps on a boss? Pretty sure Vlad is easy mode parse with his low AC and mitigation

it would be interesting to see parse on CT with those buffs, and then sune buffs only and for longer, 5-6 mins if possible.

back when i was working with Vaion on some melee dps stuff, supplying parses Vlad was the one he had me use for all the base info. he was playing with vlads values so im not sure if those values are still accurate or what, but based on what Vaion had me do a number of months back i reccomend Rangar use vlad to compare to alot of the other parses we have as stored data atm. (we being me/shattered that is)

Thanks a lot anacondar. Nerf inc for rangers! :p

But on a serious note. Ranger DPS looks pretty solid to me. Specially for a hybrid class. I see nothing wrong there.

i only ask to compare to some of the parses i have and out of interest

also if you cant hit 30k dps on CT it would be a safe bet to assume you wont on tier 7-8 bosses, unless someone tells me otherwise?

regards

Hey Kron,

As bront stated htis is on Vlad which has 0 ac (according to Tylers information post). I will say that each boss seems to have different AC values for me, and if a boss is rooted or is a bellycaster a lot of my dps will go away.

ROOTED MOB = 1/2 damage from bow shots, full damage from procs
BELLYCASTER = full damage from bow shots, 0 damage from procs

ROOTED BELLYCASTER = pound head against wall... you get the point

I will not claim each ranger does 30k per boss fight mostly because AC values differ between boss fights, and some seem to have way lower AC than others. On a boss with minimal AC I definitely can pull out a sustained DPS shown in the 2nd parse for 1 full minute, dropping by 4k per shot once Flight of Wilderness runs out, and dropping again once the 1.5 minute 2.0's run out. I would have to run more parses to get exact numbers on a burn fight + set everything up in the forest dummy's, but that will have to be another time.

anacondar wrote:Hey Kron,

As bront stated htis is on Vlad which has 0 ac (according to Tylers information post). I will say that each boss seems to have different AC values for me, and if a boss is rooted or is a bellycaster a lot of my dps will go away.

ROOTED MOB = 1/2 damage from bow shots, full damage from procs
BELLYCASTER = full damage from bow shots, 0 damage from procs

ROOTED BELLYCASTER = pound head against wall... you get the point

I will not claim each ranger does 30k per boss fight mostly because AC values differ between boss fights, and some seem to have way lower AC than others. On a boss with minimal AC I definitely can pull out a sustained DPS shown in the 2nd parse for 1 full minute, dropping by 4k per shot once Flight of Wilderness runs out, and dropping again once the 1.5 minute 2.0's run out. I would have to run more parses to get exact numbers on a burn fight + set everything up in the forest dummy's, but that will have to be another time.

thanks for that and look forward to the other parses whenever you get time

bottom line though - its nice dps you got there vlad or no vlad

regards

TBH i understand the issue that was made in the post prior to this. Ranger itemization is what really needs to be looked at imo.

As things stand for a ranger whos not in T7+ they basically have very few legitimate options for weapons.

The World Boss Drop Bow
The Bow From ToV
The Bow from ST
Then the next bow is air, at which point they are sitting 2 tiers of progression (effectively, ive always considered fear/vp different tiers)

and an entire first tier of DS before they even see another weapon upgrade.

Its a bit of the reason that rangers have this stigma of "if you dont have the donor bow your gonna do bad dps" simply because there arent very many options.

I can grab links and compare stats and such, but dont have the time atm 8). but definately something i think thats worth looking into down the road (and i know this has been brought upa few times) is adding some new itemization or looking at what already exists. They have one of the weakest itemization choices in the game atm (rogues suffer this same fate as well).

This is why you find those in the mid tiers, 2-6ish thinking their dps is subpar as a ranger without the donor bow.

inb4othermeleeclasscomplain

agree with Brontu