The Hidden Forest

I been debating about leaving this server. Even got bit upset after talking Lillu about it. Seems every raiding guild will not take in caster dps. Cause it does not hit anywhere near that or a rogue or a monk. I just wondering if anyone else has had this problem. if so is there anything being done to fix this.

Not sure about anyone else but I don't enjoy soloing all the time. So I just hope someone cares and try something to fix this problem. I was thinking custom spells or maybe increasing the damage on spells. Something anything be nice.

No.

May I suggest reading through the threads over in the Class Balancing forum?? There are a lot of threads dedicated to such concerns, and I can promise you, the devs on this server DO care enough about their players to take the time to read the posts and reply in a timely manner.

May I ask what class of caster do you play, and how are your AAs spent? Right now, I'm a gimpy Magician/Wizard/Cleric type with hardly any AAs to speak of, but I DO know what my Wizard is capable of with maxxed out AAs on another server, and if I ever stop bouncing around from alt to alt to yet another bloody darned alt, I'll work on their AAs too. Really, I promise.

Furthermore, what about your gear and focus items? Have you searched through the AllaClone to see if there is an item or 3 or 4 that you could get that would give you an added boost, somehow??

And if you think that something is still lacking, perhaps make a constructive argument for the creation of a spell or item or focus that may help you feel better about your dps. Look at some of the older threads that other players have made, in either the Items forum or again, in the Class Balancing area. I frequently go back and read through some of the posts when I'm feeling like one of my characters is permastuck in a hell level and incapable of soloing their way out of a wet paper bag.

And raiding guilds go through cycles with their membership requirements and classes needed. Today, they may not need/want caster dps, yet tomorrow they may be clamoring for more finger-wiggling dress-wearing spellcasters. And in the meantime, maybe they will allow you to hang out with them, giving them a chance to get to know you and vice versa.

Casters are worthless unless you have no melee that can take ramp on certain mobs, this is coming from someone who has progressed the furthest on the server and is raiding high end. When recruiting for the guild, no one is looking for caster dps, there is no point, it's 1/2 to 2/3 of melee dps, they run out of mana, they require more work than auto attacking, etc. Lots of disadvantages, nearly no advantages.

The one thing nice about int casters is the mage for CoH, but that's trivialized by the fact that you can get CoH clickies. I know charm is powerful here, I have just never played with an enchanter who charmed, so I can't discuss it, it's definitely not needed, I know this much.

I do agree on the fact that melees end up being more efficient that casters in high end raids, by simply turning on autoattack. Thats IMHO inherited problem with melee dps classes like Monk, Rogue or Zerker - their dps never runs out of juice. Casters do suppose to run out of mana, but before they do they should also be able to produce one hell of dps, that would take melees an hour to match. You you don't see this happening.

A simple solution to equalize melees and casters, would be to nerf all melee weapon damage by HALF... Of course after that you all will want to kill me
We could also double the power of spells, but it will be the same thing, just in bigger numbers.

Of course the mobs will need to be adjusted as well, either down (in case of melee weapon nerf), or up, in case of caster upgrade.

In ether case, this is NOT an simple solution, and requires a LOT of math calcs and thinking to be put into it.

Hi,

I raised this concern 3 months ago, we exchanged but nothing has been done I was even told that Wizards were OP...I only speak about Wizard dps as we all know that it should be on top of all melees...

Even if lots of things have been done/tuned, there is a lot more to do...
In parses, you will see that a geared Wiz can reach 2K6/2K8 with Sun's buff and about 3K dps with a bard singing...But that's all, you won't do much more compared to melee with incredible DPS + Lure augs + panther maw.

I would just add that Mana isn't an issue once you get at least Chains from ToV / elemental boots and a good clicky item to press between 2 Ether casts (meaning Dps for 6 min: Oom after 3min/mana recovery 20K/3min casting)

So yes, Wizard dps is far away from what it should be...

Once agaoin we need at least (that's the minimum):
New spell : upgrate of Ether
New Focii: upgrade of Jaled flame optimizer for the related new spell
New clicky item (to press between 2 spell casts): Upgrade from writ of dragonkind.
2.0 clicky Brillance: issue as it overwrites Ro's Familiar and will never be used/clicked by me.

Another DPS upgrade would be fix AA : Frenzied Devastation (GoD) & Prolonged Destruction (OoW).

Another thing is regarding procs: Is there any way to get a proc (we could compare to melee proc + panther maw) when casters cast? => Mana flare to be tested.


So Yes, if you want to have your DPS spot in raid, play a monk, rogue or Zerk. Nevertheless, I did not have any difficulty when I joigned the server, met Evolution people and got a spot in raid.

Loly

Harney wrote:this is coming from someone who has progressed the furthest on the server and is raiding high end.

Not trying to revive an old thread or anything, but for some unknown reason, I drew some unwanted agro from THF's resident EQ-god (ie. Harney) [as quoted above]:

Harney wrote:Khaliss wrote: wrote:Tyler wrote:Before the class balance, you were either war/cle/rog/monk/shaman or you didn't raid. If that's what you want, there are tons of other emu servers around.

/sigh, why is my cookie-cutter combo getting mentioned again

<3 Tyler

Khaliss
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Yes, this is your cookie-cutter combo, clearly you were the first person on the planet to play on this server and everyone else started and immediately recognized your superiority and we all copied you.

notice the sarcasm in my above comments..

Harney

I couldn't reply from the other thread cuz it got closed. So...

Don't know how he misinterpreted what I posted there. I was clearly joking, and what I meant by "my" was NEVER an indication that I invented that cookie-cutter build, I'm just saying that I use a very common combo. NEVER even claimed I was great at playing this game unlike Mr. H - d'almighty [again, as quoted above].

Harney, you clearly have personality issues.

And thanks for noting the sarcasm... it was kinda hard for me to get it at first

harneys a good guy he just tends to take his eq a bit to seriously sometimes. played with him off and on diff servers since somewhere in the 0.3.0 back in the old old guildwars days. not saying i support his actions or words but maybe just that i kinda understand where hes coming from. as for caster dps.

honestly ive not weighed in on this cus so far my caster has been a mage and a cleric but that being said....mage pets while powerful up to the 50's dont seem to do well in custom content without a lotta help sometimes. mage epic i think would do well to have a pet focus on it instead of just stats and some haste clicky that gets trivialized easily if you run a chanter also.

the mage dps on nukes is as near as i can tell the same as live which is to say.....we have great gear. a slightly above average pet and....the same dmg from nukes as live. dps gets powerful weapons even to start. tanks get powerful weapons....mage gets same spells just better gear.

i hate to say it but a lot of folks are focusing entirely on the end game of balancing when they should be looking at it from the beginning also. starting out at lvl 1-5 with a nuke that does maybe 15 dmg when a melee cna walk up and just crank out repeated dmg of 20 + is unbalanced and it continues along the way all the way to 70.

thank you and good night

khaliss wrote:

Harney wrote:this is coming from someone who has progressed the furthest on the server and is raiding high end.

Not trying to revive an old thread or anything, but for some unknown reason, I drew some unwanted agro from THF's resident EQ-god (ie. Harney) [as quoted above]:

Harney wrote:Khaliss wrote: wrote:Tyler wrote:Before the class balance, you were either war/cle/rog/monk/shaman or you didn't raid. If that's what you want, there are tons of other emu servers around.

/sigh, why is my cookie-cutter combo getting mentioned again

<3 Tyler

Khaliss
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Yes, this is your cookie-cutter combo, clearly you were the first person on the planet to play on this server and everyone else started and immediately recognized your superiority and we all copied you.

notice the sarcasm in my above comments..

Harney

I couldn't reply from the other thread cuz it got closed. So...

Don't know how he misinterpreted what I posted there. I was clearly joking, and what I meant by "my" was NEVER an indication that I invented that cookie-cutter build, I'm just saying that I use a very common combo. NEVER even claimed I was great at playing this game unlike Mr. H - d'almighty [again, as quoted above].

Harney, you clearly have personality issues.

And thanks for noting the sarcasm... it was kinda hard for me to get it at first

Fun to read this thread again - at first i was like wtf - then i noticed the time/date.

And no worries khaliss - unlike Harney (who is indeed a good guy after all ) i spotted your joke. Let's end this here and we won't start trying to judge peoples personality based on a post made lacking the correct amount of coffee!

Your friendly class balance terrorist
Tyler

It seems that the Devs are working hard to increase the power of casters, through foci, manaflare, etc. When I look at recruiting someone to take out small targets in off raid days (if I was running a guild I would probably think the same thing) my attitude would be "the elemental silk pattern is going to rot anyways, so why not take him along for a little extra dps"- If the Devs continue their work boosting caster dps, that attitude may increase. I cannot comment on the current state of casters, but I do see the Devs working on it.

I have a level 70 wiz. The reason I stopped playing him months ago? It takes too much effort to box him effectively, I prefer to be lazy with a rogue on auto atk (rogue was a poor choice too- too lazy to back stab, but I find SOS to be handy as hell so I haven't replaced him with a monk.

Dammur

Yea caster need something like this that they taked away from us a days ago.

Spell: Silverwing's Touch is removed from players (it was meant to be an NPC only spell)

That spell was great at lower lvl if it had worked as it was writed when I looked it up, 6 sec casting time and 800 mana. (think it was something like that) at lvl 60 this isnt that good spell anymore but it will help alot to lvl up to 70 with some smaler changes to fit in better.

As it was earlier it was instant cast and 1 mana soo was OP yes, but if they change it to be like 6 sec ct and soo its just a good spell since mobs resisted it alot.

Think caster need some good spell from lvl 10 to 60 to dont be outdmg of any melee.