The Hidden Forest

Is there any easy way for collectable runs to be changed from collect 20 to say collect 40/60/80/100 and up the points gained per run?

Not looking for easier points, just to reduce the amount of times we have to zone in such a short space of time. (this was brought up by a member of a group I was in today)

Please dont make it collect 40 for the same points though

you answered basically all your questions if we reduce the time it takes for a run, that's basically making it "easier". so would have to higher the collect number

Collect 60 for 50 points then?

I see the point here. If the challenge is based on having to zone twice, rather than time invested in actually doing the task, then I'd question that as being more fun.

Not that I feel the ldon points need revising for collection (they don't... I'd say the points for other types could be made higher as no one bothers with anything other than collection, but that's another topic), but I do see the logic with Kuldiin's request (and we don't always agree )

As it is, the quest generally ends at x location every time, with tons of dungeon left to explore. But I think 25 points for the time invested to get 20 loots is fine, so it's a tough call, particularly as offering more points for longer collection quests would put people off doing other types even more than they are now (but again, I feel that's another problem and not related to this one).

I'm thinking to nerf the collection back a bit, it's way too easy. 5 mins per run? ..

Lillu wrote:I'm thinking to nerf the collection back a bit, it's way too easy. 5 mins per run? ..

Easy with a good group.

Its one of the few things where groups seem to be forming and demanding people actually play instead of box as it leads to faster runs. 6 people do this alot faster than 3 players and 3 boxed characters would.

While I can understand the need for correction if the reward is too good for the time invested, I'm a bit concered that if the '5 minute runs' get taken away, then people will just go back to boxing their way through LDONs as they do everywhere else.

5 minute runs, I just cannot do right now as I solo it. As I add more to my group the faster it becomes.

I think the pace of collection is fine as it is. I've had to invest a very long time getting single items. Would I spend double the time to kill 60 mobs to get the same points, though? No. In fact, I probably wouldn't have bothered doing Ldons at all if that was the fastest option. Now, 60 mobs for 50 points? Or perhaps 75 for 50? Now you're talking.

Essentially, it can be tougher than it is with a slightly higher reward; allowing us to spend more time on the reward, as a whole, but to also spend more time in the zone with a larger point yield per run (fewer zones per point).

By all means if there needs be a nerf to collection then fair enough but there should also be a buff to the alternatives, otherwise it's just punishing feedback

It really depends on your gear and AAs...

I can solo it in 5 mins, but it still feels too tedious to me so I don't even bother with LDONs.

But then again, we are flagging for Xegony currently, so raiding is just plain more fun with equivalent rewards and seemingly less tedium.

I think that if the hard mode LDON was more along the lines of 250 points I might be doing those...

How about this, 250 points for Hard Mode LDON with a lockout period? Resets at Midnight every day or something?

Rocums wrote:It really depends on your gear and AAs...

Exactly My gear is not enough to solo 5 mins and I am ToV level, so I imagine the vast majority cannot solo Ldons in 5 minutes, which is really what I was getting at; just because some can do it fast doesn't mean we all can and therefore I don't think it needs to be made tougher for those that cannot just because raid geared people can ace it fast hehe.

Also, for clarity, when I say "solo", I mean solo... one char + bot. When I throw in some extra DPS I can do it much faster but then that's how it should be.

Yeah, I mean I have some Sleeper's Augs, 700 AAs, Emblem of Strength, etc.. Way more geared then anyone at the ToV level and below. I still find it tedious... I would rather do one much longer and more difficult LDON a day that has many more points then to grind away 20 mobs and 25 pts at a time.