Defensive/Stonewall Discipline

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moordian
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Defensive/Stonewall Discipline

Post#1 » Thu Apr 22, 2010 4:25 pm

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Last night while we were getting the prison rape treatment from Severilous (nice work Jericho! that was fun) we had a couple of VERY fast wipes as if no one was healing my warrior. I knew that wasn't the case because I was healing my warrior and I had other heal message in my chat box. Then I noticed that my warrior was getting hit for over 10k, which should not have been possible since I had either Defensive or Stonewall clicked.

Once I noticed this, I paid a little more attention on the next pull to see what was going wrong. I made sure that both my innate disc and ring disc were up and both were. I clicked Furious and pulled like normal. When Furious dropped, I clicked Stonewall - the button looked activated but there was no effect in the discipline window. So I clicked Defensive on ring - the ring grayed out, but still no effect in the discipline window. I promptly died and the clerics got eaten.

I don't remember this ever happening in the past, but I am certain I clicked both disciplines and neither seemed to activate. When I respawned at bind, both ring and disc where unusable. After noticing this I stopped using Furious and just clicked def/stonewall to makee sure disc was working and that seemed to work. However, pulling with Furious is a warrior staple. Can you take a look at it?
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Jeido
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Re: Defensive/Stonewall Discipline

Post#2 » Thu Apr 22, 2010 5:34 pm

Cooldowns are buggy like that on emu, although i've never had it happen on defensive.

As far as clickys, they will automatically show as off CD after you zone, regardless of if it is true or not. Basically, you just need to pay attention to what time it is when you last used your ring and hope that your timing is correct.
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banani
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Re: Defensive/Stonewall Discipline

Post#3 » Thu Apr 22, 2010 8:39 pm

Rogue discs aren't working either, including Daggerfall. Also, Fists of Wu (monk group buff disc), Thief's Eyes (rogue group buff disc), and Commanding Voice (warrior group buff disc) are no longer stacking, which they should be.
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aabamzen
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Re: Defensive/Stonewall Discipline

Post#4 » Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:26 pm

Innerflame wasn't working for me today either on the monk intermittently. Edit: To clarify 'not working' - I clicked innerflame (without having used it yet today) and the disc did not go into effect, but the disc was not available to use again for its cooldown period. I tried it again later, and again it didn't work. I tried one last time towards the end of my time online and it did work.

Also, the beastlord disc "Empathic Fury" is now also giving the "You must first select a target for this ability!" error.
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striat
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Re: Defensive/Stonewall Discipline

Post#5 » Fri Apr 23, 2010 3:47 am

I'll see what I can find out.

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TheBloodmoon
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Re: Defensive/Stonewall Discipline

Post#6 » Fri Apr 23, 2010 4:36 am

To give more specifics on this issue, disciplines are working just fine, so long as you're not engaged with a mob....but they work during pull. For specific example, I pulled Sontalak today with ToV pants clicky (anger) and on incoming, prior to engaging, I hit defensive which acted as normal giving me the effect. During the fight, once defensive dropped, I clicked furious, but only the button greyed out. I did not get the effect. Same was true of aura of runes, daggerfall, innerflame, thunderkick, duelist, and many other disciplines tested. They only work so long as you are outside of combat, which defeats their purpose, obviously. I hope this helps shed a little more light on the issue.
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Mr_Magoo
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Re: Defensive/Stonewall Discipline

Post#7 » Fri Apr 23, 2010 6:22 am

just a couple notes ive noticed,

whatever the monk disc is that throws the boots icon into the short duration box ( i think wu's ) not sure if thats the one blocks defense on me every time.

maxed buffs block defense as well, before the update it was 20 w/aa's plus 4 or 5 more slots for bard songs(or short durations) before you was full, now it seems when the 20 in the buff box is full then defense will fail, not sure if the short duration are a factor in this since the update i seem to have had 6 short durations going along with a full buff box working just fine compared to before the extras over 25(short duration and buff box combined) didnt show up.

debuffs also seem to block defense like armor break,malos and some dots even after some are removed a hidden debuff may still linger on you without the icon like as if cure 18 removes the icon but cure 36 was actually needed to remove the dot itself.

not sure if these are whats happening in your case or even make senseto anyone but me just giving a little feedback on it

aabamzen
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Re: Defensive/Stonewall Discipline

Post#8 » Fri Apr 23, 2010 12:24 pm

I didn't think of the new 15 buff limit affecting it - I'll be sure to watch for that today. Guess I need to buy the new aa on everyone ;)

Edit: Tested with 11 buffs - Innerflame wouldn't fire in combat.
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Re: Defensive/Stonewall Discipline

Post#9 » Fri Apr 23, 2010 11:43 pm

Yeah, it's definitely not a buff issue. It seems to be only affected during combat.

But, I certainly hope max buffs don't block disciplines, as that should never happen. I did test with max buffs, though, and it doesn't seem to be the case, but I did not test with max short duration buffs as well.

And yes, the Fists of Wu group discipline is blocking both warrior Commanding Voice and rogue Thief's Eyes short duration group buff disciplines. They will not land with Fists of Wu on.
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Taladome
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Re: Defensive/Stonewall Discipline

Post#10 » Sat Apr 24, 2010 10:49 pm

Ok this was pretty bad tonight 12 disc fails in total, wiped several times due to this and its too frustrating. Ive tried everything I can think of to stop it from happening and figure out whats causing it but nothing works. I click my furious gloves, your spell did not take hold. I hit stonewall or defensive, your spell did not take hold... I hit an offensive disc no problem. This is a pretty major issue when your tanking class can not do what its supposed to do. You name it ive tried it from removing buffs, curing myself repeatedly, relogging, attacking before and after hitting disc, hitting disc before or after I have agro something is definitely wrong with the discs. Wiping on mobs you had no problem with before just isnt fun for anyone.

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