Wizard problems

[Taladome]

I only play wizard as a box, but played it as a main live for many years. I know there has been much discussion about the manaflare and familiar stacking but it seems our 2.0 cliky epic doesnt stack with them either so three things which potentially bring wizard dps up do not stack. I know you guys are working hard on the wizards just not sure if you were aware of the epic clicky not being able to stack . You gotta choose which you want the 30% damage from familar, the 2500 damage from manaflare, or the crit bonus from epic clicky.

Taladome

[Lola]

Hi Taladome,

They know exactly what I called the biggest class issue on THF and argued many times.
I got listened to and Tyler made great adjustments from the spell dmg/spell casting/mana recovery/clicky items.(My bad, I really should have updated the wizard thread when Tyler tried to keep track of adjustements).

We are in the right way now to adjust huge Wiz Dps, we just need to get some parses from lazy mages which enjoy their revamp with huge Dps pet (with the possibility to heal them for 8K without any focii) but those ones do not give any feedback!

Keep fighting, wizards will never surrender!
If there were much more wizards than rogue/monk all eqemu serverwide, it would be different I assume

PS: in addition to mana flare/familiar/epic clicky stacking issue, we also have our most valuable AA which is broken (frenzied devastation) but this is code issue and needs to be looked at by eqdevs.

[Tyler]

Honestly tho, 5k dps Wizards are definatly where i want them. Melees doing 7k now are a different story.

[Lola]

I agree and do not complain about 5KDps.

1) issue with bard song ancient: call of power needs to be looked at
2) need to compare Mage Dps & Wiz (which will lead to a mage nerf or a Wiz UP) if mage dps is insane compared to what it should be.

I think I will have to waste time to PL a mage :/

Thanks again for adjustments Tyler.
Loly.

@chaos,
As you set up & led all the mage class changes, would you be kind to create a Lv70 mage toon full aa and at least PoFire gear and post some parses please?

[Lillu]

I think I will have to waste time to PL a mage :/

you don't have to.

[Lola]

Do you mean you could grow up my mage toon for a week or so, I would be able to log in and test then parse?

Or do you mean I do not have to try to help finishing the Wiz class balance which is ending after a long hard work of exchange / changes / parses / efforts?

I am in a good mood, but sometimes parano

PS Edit: For a long time I have been the only high end wiz still playing wiz on the server and all the efforts put in were let's say, for me. I would be glad to help and finish what took hours of test from me & work from you admins.

[Taladome]

Ok I think we kinda got distracted here or I didnt see the answer to the question at hand. Is the epic clicky supposed to stack, is it a coding issue, intended not to stack or what? I feel that the dps of wizards is pretty close to wear it should be but I feel wasting time on epics/ldons/aas that do not stack is a bit much. Just wanted to know where things stand on that issue as in are not meant to stack/are meant to stack but working on the code to make them stack which isnt completed yet etc. Those three valuable items sharing the same buff spot is a waste to me.

Taladome

[Lola]

stacking issue not intended = workaround with familiar +30% (instead of 20%)

conclusion: use familiar, forget about Manaflare & epic clicky.

Welcome

[khaliss]

That would mean 2.0 clicky needs to be changed LOL. I don't mind having another massive nuke like epic1.5, this time though... 3.5k fire damage/tick for 5 ticks (call it "Raging Solar Flare"), same cooldown!

[Lola]

Could be a potential workaround to give 2.0 a non useless clicky effect till we figure out how it can stack with familiar.
That really needs to be something better than the 1.5 clicky as they are on same timer.


As a side note on this thread:

I definitly would have loved to see actual 2.0 clicky being a multiple effect (all in one which would closed the staking issue) as :
+20% Dmg (replacing the non stacking issue with Ro's familiar)
+Manaflare adding effect (II)
+ % critic spell as it should provide if there wasnt this epic vs Ro's stacking issue.

We got this as a different form:
Wiz % inate critic spell has been upped.
Ro's flaming fam +20% => +30%

...To compensate Manaflare (we do not gain much more than 1K1 dmg per chaotic detonation cast - and someting laughable on short dmg/casting time spells whereas other casters gain a huge Mana flare III boost).

This is why I really want to see chanty/Mage & necro parses because of mana flare on short casting time & manafree items + Pet Dps with Panther...

There is still a long way to go till Wizards get the power they should have compared to others casters and for more than 2 min X2 before being oom. (I do not talk about trash where I use mana free clickies most of the time as melees kills to quickly...)

As Tyler said, we are far from melees (would need new parses now they do not use mana flare anymore).

In addition, I would be happy if there were no conflict now with bard song: ancient call of power.

Keep this thread in 1st page and we will succeed