2h damage

[sarcon]

was just tinkering around earlier and it seems that if you take a 1her with the same dmg as a 2her the 1her always does considerably more dmg (IE a 80/20 1her will always do more than a 80/20 2her), no clue why this is.


also a request to maybe give 2her min dmg a boost?, i understand having high AC for certain mobs however its no big deal if a dual wielder hits for min dmg here and there. but as a 2h user im hitting for less than 200 more often than over on raids ( for a 143 dmg 2her its a bit off), and 48 seems to be my min dmg.

P.S. this is more a exploration post to discuss.

[Tyler]

This seems to be hard coded, nothing i can change with my tools. But we have 2 Coders!

[Jeido]

Bump --- I wanted to post some results.

Falcore, 70 monk 300AA. With Fiery Staff of Zha (http://clone.thehiddenforest.org/item.php?id=8722) 135/33, lure of flame proc, he was doing less damage than with epic 1.5 and the emp 1hb. On the other hand, Irualdin (70 berserker, 2.0, a butt load of aa) was right behind Monkz in parses last night on our Pofire raids.

I'm not sure what to make of this really, because the results are inconsistant. Perhaps monks just aren't meant to use 2handers on emu? who knows. At any rate, we should see more details soon now that Irualdin is back. He's still lacking augs on his 2.0, and needs his 2.5, so I will revive this post again with more parses to see if Monkz still out-damages him. It's disappointing that a monk with a PoF weapon does less damage than a monk with tier 1 weapons though heh ><

[Shin Noir]

Bump --- I wanted to post some results.

Falcore, 70 monk 300AA. With Fiery Staff of Zha (http://clone.thehiddenforest.org/item.php?id=8722) 135/33, lure of flame proc, he was doing less damage than with epic 1.5 and the emp 1hb. On the other hand, Irualdin (70 berserker, 2.0, a butt load of aa) was right behind Monkz in parses last night on our Pofire raids.

I'm not sure what to make of this really, because the results are inconsistant. Perhaps monks just aren't meant to use 2handers on emu? who knows. At any rate, we should see more details soon now that Irualdin is back. He's still lacking augs on his 2.0, and needs his 2.5, so I will revive this post again with more parses to see if Monkz still out-damages him. It's disappointing that a monk with a PoF weapon does less damage than a monk with tier 1 weapons though heh ><

Look at berserker AA's and it may shed some light why he is doing so much damage with 2 handers vs. a monk with 2 handers.
@ dual wield dmg vs 2 hand dmg, I'm not sure. I haven't touched this area much. I'll wait for the parses and look at the source to see if I can make snse of the 2 hand damage code.

last I checked EQEMU is having some conflicts with berserkers too, and most server's sense of balance is really badly done.. So there's a chance we'll have to look into ways to perhaps improve 2 hand damage without it affecting berserkers, because I personally think other 2 hand classes are suffering and the zerker is holding them back (Don't want to boost 2 hand since the effect of it is so high on zerker).

We'll see!

[sarcon]

aye keep in mind beserkers can do around 7 attacks in a round plus frenzy for some serious damage, also look at class innate atks, pal/SK even with same atk on gear are always gonna have a much lower atk and thus hit for lower amounts more often. also remember the effect on zerker 2.0 thats some brutal dps there

[Jeido]

also remember the effect on zerker 2.0 thats some brutal dps there

You know, that's a good point. Irualdin was keeping up with Monkz, but that was WITH his epic click (which is not a proc dmg, so we're actually seeing most of Irualdin's raw dps). Monkz parses 1.2k-1.5k generally to the outsiders, but when you count procs (2.0 proc, panther, sham 2.0 etc etc) then this number shoots up to 2.5k-3k DPS.

I would be willing to bet that Irualdin, even with procs, isn't breaking 2k DPS with his 2.0. I'd be surprised if he's going over 1800 honestly unless he was discing. I'll see if I can get him to DL gamparse and give us some numbers, because if his numbers are low then doing some code changes to 2handers in general wouldn't be out of the question.

[TheBloodmoon]

Gorgeous (max offensive AA berserker with vulak 2hs + emp aug) pumps out 3-3.5k dps including proc'ed swarm pets with full raid buffs and 1.5 click. 3k with panther and 3.5k without....

[Jeido]

Gorgeous (max offensive AA berserker with vulak 2hs + emp aug) pumps out 3-3.5k dps including proc'ed swarm pets with full raid buffs and 1.5 click. 3k with panther and 3.5k without....

OP

[sarcon]

i do about 745? max melee dps with max offensive AAs, offense leadership and a 150/33 2hs with a 10% 2h mod ( that also probably included some ripostes as i tanked a part of the mob) its a little more with panther and procs but not as much as a warrior jumps with just panther boosts.

2h dps is a lesser issue its more about having rounded numbers rather than doing 3k one hit then 22 the next 4 hits, esspecialy as tanking goes if i get some poor luck in the first swings even with anger clicky dps peels it right off me (its hard enough with lucky hits and anger click to hold agro without agro procs)....

[TheBloodmoon]

Sorry, my bad. I was wrong on my numbers. It was 2.2k to 2.6k...don't know where I got 3-3.5k from. I wouldn't consider that overpowering, considering Nobed (max offensive AA with 1.5 + cold aug and 1hb from Lendinaria in WToV) does roughly similar dps (tops out around 2.6k) with same buffs. Thoos (max aa rog with 1.5 and emp 1hb) tops 2.2k dps. Seems pretty fairly balanced if you consider gear levels and aa. These numbers are off zombie dummy in THF though, so not actual raid parses, and does not include full burn with discs.

However, I do believe Gorgeous *could* be doing more dps considering the weapon is from Vulak and should be more powerful than 1.5 + tier1 / wtov offhand. But, 2hers will always be a crap chute thanks to the RNG and getting those hits with min damage.