Bleeding Edge

[Tyler]

Managed to finally log in myself. This spell is working fine.

Who are you grouping with? Someone casting debuffs on mobs?

[Desimus]

I'm solo. No debuffing other than what is on Donater / 1.5 which is just the proc on donater. I have no idea if the message (Your spell did not take hold) is related or not but either way still no dmg on the proc :\

[Tyler]

I had nothing on me, just went to PoFire, casted the spell on me and it worked like it should. What's on 1.5 again?

Btw, in the screenshot you were grouped. If someone else procs/debuffs something on the mob, that might prevent it.

Easy way out would be to just make Bleeding Edge a pure DD proc instead of a Dot with -AC and -Hate etc. Think thats the best approach.

Objections or ok with you?

[Desimus]

I don't want a DoT honestly, stuff dies WAY too fast, and it's never going to do much damage on a DoT since I have weapon Affinity 5 and it proc's quiet often. I'd much rather have a DD which is what I originally thought it was. Would be much appreciated if you could change that. Thanks for working so hard on this man

[Tyler]

Your wish is my command. 550 DD proc next reload.

[Desimus]

Much appreciated and anticipated!

[Jeido]

Just wanted to throw my 2cp in here. The clicky on the rogue donator is now better than the monk 2.0 DPS clicky. I'm not sure if you intended this or not, but a -400 resist adjust perma buff that does 550 DD seems like a HUGE leap from a 450dmg DoT...

When I was first reading this and I saw the request for a change from DoT I was expecting a small jump maybe from a 450 DoT to a 250ish DD proc. 550 just seems way too powerful and very discouraging to other rogues who can/do not donate for a weapon. It was always my understanding that if donator weapons were introduced, they would not be as such.

[Tyler]

The 450 dot is kinda the same as 550 dd. Resist adjust is the same. The dot would even continue to tic even if you don't land a proc. It has some -150 ac or so before component that would make your groups overall dps go up of course. Since I removed that part, it was only fair to increase the damage instead.

Rogues on the other hand get Lure Type procs of 600 DD at -300 on their epic. So nothing to complain about imo.

[Koeril]

From a Rogue's perspective in that I'm comparing the rogue 2.0 to the rogue donator, it doesn't seem overpowered to me and I would highly encourage Nig to get his 2.0 because it is a large step up still (I've grouped with him a lot).

I can't say about the monk 2.0 though, seems like comparing apples to oranges.

[Desimus]

Just wanted to throw my 2cp in here. The clicky on the rogue donator is now better than the monk 2.0 DPS clicky. I'm not sure if you intended this or not, but a -400 resist adjust perma buff that does 550 DD seems like a HUGE leap from a 450dmg DoT...

When I was first reading this and I saw the request for a change from DoT I was expecting a small jump maybe from a 450 DoT to a 250ish DD proc. 550 just seems way too powerful and very discouraging to other rogues who can/do not donate for a weapon. It was always my understanding that if donator weapons were introduced, they would not be as such.

1. I never requested anything. Tyler suggested the DoT be a DD and I agreed.

2. According to alaclone, the 2.0 has an 882 hp proc. I don't see how you can base an argument that it's too powerful when the 2.0 has a higher DD.

3. No one is discouraged from getting a 2.0 because others have a donator weapon. I think it's more likely to be discouraged from trying to get it based on the fact that they would have to join a high level raiding guild to obtain one, which not everyone wants to do. So personally I think a donater is a good option for the dev's and those players.

4. I have no idea what the monk 2.0 has, nor do I care. That's for monks and tyler to figure out. I am not comparing mine to any other class asking for an increase because they got one. I originally started this post because it didn't work AS INTENDED I was at no point asking for upgrades.