Citadel of the Worldslayer

[Ydiss]

I'd argue that if you find charm 8 frustrating then just upping the drop rate isn't the correct fix it'd still be frustrating. Quite a few players have completed this task now. We're not really getting any feedback except this thread so far. Short of just deleting the whole thing I'm not sure what to do. I thought a series of puzzles might be more interesting than camping for rare drops but I suppose puzzles aren't for everyone.

Yes, cotw is T7. It was never intended to mirror dsk though. Much like the mobs in ascent (t6) hit way harder than trash in T6 raid zones (they actually hit harder than T8 trash but I digress).

The idea is you're looking to not pull too many.

[Nizzy]

I'd argue that if you find charm 8 frustrating then just upping the drop rate isn't the correct fix it'd still be frustrating. Quite a few players have completed this task now. We're not really getting any feedback except this thread so far. Short of just deleting the whole thing I'm not sure what to do. I thought a series of puzzles might be more interesting than camping for rare drops but I suppose puzzles aren't for everyone.

You wanted all the feedback in one thread? Are you saying if multiple threads were started then this would be taken more seriously? Just throwing an honest question out there now, does the fact that three people all from the same guild are providing feedback change the view of the feedback?
The three (now four) of us were excited for new content. These puzzles and tasks on top of tasks when we have 12+ toons each it honesty seems this content was designed to alienate us and makes us not want to play.

Yes, cotw is T7. It was never intended to mirror dsk though. Much like the mobs in ascent (t6) hit way harder than trash in T6 raid zones (they actually hit harder than T8 trash but I digress).

The idea is you're looking to not pull too many.

VT is T9 and I can pull move than 4 there with no issues.

[Nilbus]

These puzzles and tasks on top of tasks when we have 12+ toons each it honesty seems this content was designed to alienate us and makes us not want to play.

Yes, cotw is T7. It was never intended to mirror dsk though. Much like the mobs in ascent (t6) hit way harder than trash in T6 raid zones (they actually hit harder than T8 trash but I digress).

The idea is you're looking to not pull too many.

VT is T9 and I can pull move than 4 there with no issues.

I concur with Nizzy's thoughts. I ran cotw a few times before the last batch of changes and while it took time, it was easy and I never felt like I was wasting time. The last change (especially to the last boss) made me say nope, and forget about it, I wasn't going to do this multiple times to flag 24.

[Niixnec]

I ran it again and got it down to 4 fails then tried again and had 8. So personally still frustrating but doable - I normally miss the last one by a second or two.

As for the drops it sort of goes back to the older population setup. I would think that most of us run 12+, so if we grouped with someone to complete and we each had 12 that means at least 24 times to run a zone that the only drops are for the T9 quest.

I haven't gotten far into Causeway yet but some items i have heard cause some concern as I see better than VT gear coming from what I am told is a group instance. So the last 5-6 years of building up 20 characters because the server population was so low to be able to do VT, HoH, Nadox, etc. were a waste. There may be a raid instance we are not aware of yet but if the only way to get new gear is by doing it group by group (or 2-4 base group 2-4 switch out) that will be basically throwing away how the server has been setup for the last 8 years as the only group instances that I recall are LDoN, Enomuth, and Drachnid which work for what they provided.

regards,
niix

[Ydiss]

The incubator reset has an extra 6 seconds added to it. It's now 20 seconds to move 4 characters. 5 seconds each. I think that now removes the strategy from it and just makes it a formality. Hope its more fun now and sorry if it's been frustrating.

Bixt is exactly the same as before. He's not harder. The only difference is he now has an attack that requires working out to evade (it requires a total 2 specific solutions, one for each of his two attacks, that both demand a simple "move to" type action, not entirely dissimilar to many T8 boss requirements and in practice a whole lot simpler). So doing Bixt multiple times should be no different to how it was before, once you've worked out how to evade his attack (similar to many T7 bosses really), but I hear you. Doing T7 content with a T9 guild must be tiresome. But with each kill the whole group is flagged. So you shouldn't need to complete the zone more than a few times.

Unfortunately, the new story line was always supposed to start in T7. It'll be perfect for guilds that are actually working through T6 to T7. Perhaps less so for those who did T7 years ago. Don't worry, the first set of T10 content won't be related and you'll just need to have finished VT and an access quest to play it.

The reason charm 8 is tied into this story is because the remaining charm story will also be tied in. Again, I'm sorry if that causes irritation for players who already have a better charm. Retroactive content such as this probably isn't fantastic for T9 players. But the idea is there'll be a charm 9 and 10 quest. The result of that will be the best charm in game excluding donator. So, if anyone will want that then they'll need to do charm 8 (and all prior charm quests).

So I can remove the requirement for charm 8 from accessing the new group zone. But you'll eventually need to do it anyway. And charm 9 and 10 definitely aren't going to be "farm 4 items" quests. Though they won't be puzzle based either.

Finally the gear has been selected based on gaps in existing T9 gear and offers alternatives with foci effects or worn effects that were underrepresented, with one or two brand new clicks included. There are perhaps a couple items that are statistically better than the items you get via raid and the final reward will be better definitely. I'd be happy to fix that imbalance if you can provide specific examples where you feel your efforts were wasted in VT. That's not the intent when creating rewards for new content.

I'd say that it took a couple months for the new zone to be completed... I'd hope, as a player, that the rewards for that weren't just an alternative copy of an existing item in VT. But if you feel this should change, please let us know which items and we'll review it.

[opmklp]

i cleared cotw 6times for my first 1group.

my all toons got "Elite Vitrik wing" and "Elite Vitrik feather "

"wing" droped off first Livi`s Elite Creation (roamer)

"feather" dropted off second Livi`s Elite Creation ( spawned at Livi, the Mistress of Blight event)


i never seen talon and beak.

wing droped x6 times in a row off first Livi`s Elite Creation

feather droped x6 times in a row off second Livi`s Elite Creation

seems like 100% drop rate about only one item.

http://www.thehiddenforest.org/webtools ... ?id=430015

Chance for table to be used: 100%.
# Items Selected From Table: 1

Elite Vitrik wing Gems 25%
Elite Vitrik talon Gems 25%
Elite Vitrik beak Gems 25%
Elite Vitrik feather Armor 25%


i dont think these are 25%

always wing droped from first Livi`s Elite Creation

always feather droped from second Livi`s Elite Creation

where should i find talon and beak?

i can't find information.

[Ydiss]

The charm quest was completely rewritten last month. The npc you're looking at on webtools no longer exists. I'll delete the old npcs from webtools at some point but for now I've deleted this one to avoid this confusion.

The two items you're looking for can be obtained from cotw and you can obtain one of each of the four items each play through (so you can complete the quest once per run). The first Elite you encounter drops something it never dropped before.

[opmklp]

The charm quest was completely rewritten last month. The npc you're looking at on webtools no longer exists. I'll delete the old npcs from webtools at some point but for now I've deleted this one to avoid this confusion.

The two items you're looking for can be obtained from cotw and you can obtain one of each of the four items each play through (so you can complete the quest once per run). The first Elite you encounter drops something it never dropped before.

thank you!

[opmklp]

i did green/red task and got "Elite Vitrik talon "


Elite Vitrik wing" - #1 livis roamer

Elite Vitrik feather " - #2 livis spawn at 3th boss

Elite Vitrik talon - #3 green/red task

Elite - Vitrik beak - ???

anyonw know how can i loot the last quest item for finish charm quest?

btw i got talon x3 in a row at red/green task

i dont think red/green task 's livi drops the beak or my wrong

else question,

Worldslater's foresight - what is for? i got this item off final boss

an obervatory spyglass - what is for? i got this item off livis red/green task

[Niixnec]

Check for emotes with the eyeglass in one of the bosses room after the red/green room.
You may have to move around a bit to find the right spot to look from.



regards,
niix