Ranger Request Thread

Explanations please - no flames
Rerfu
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Re: Ranger Request Thread

Post#21 » Tue Dec 08, 2009 1:46 pm

Melee:

All In:

Full Raid Buffs:
2368 Attack
55% Worn Haste
(I forgot the 5% v3 Haste so this parse is a little bit off)
Panther
Call of Lightning

3 Min 59 Second Parse, stopped when I realized I didn't have my 5% v3 Haste.
Warders Wrath and Guardian of the Forest and 1.5 Hawk Strike used at 0 seconds.

Vlan on 12/8/2009 in 239sec

Total
--- DMG: 350999 (100%) @ 1469 dps (1469 sdps)
--- DMG to PC: 19 @0dps

Rerfu
--- DMG: 350999 (100%) @ 1469 dps (1469 sdps)
--- DMG to PC: 19 @0dps

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Rerfu -vs- Vlan: -- DMG: 350999 -- DPS: 1469 -- Scaled: 1469 -- Hit: 162190 -- Slash: 128885 -- Crush: 59924 -- Non-crit rate: 75% -- crit rate: 25% -- Attempts: 1574 -- Hits: 1183 -- Missed: 277 -- Defended: 114 -- Accuracy: 81% -- Avg Hit: 296 -- Max hit: 647 -- DMG to PC: 19

DPS By Type: Hit 678.6 Slash 593.3 Crush 250.7

The fact that Warders Wrath and Guardian of the Forest and Hawk Strike only added 66 DPS is very troubling though, esp considering the fight was a whole minute shorter. All I can think is that melee critical rate is hard capped and somehow I reached it with all the AAs and 1.5 + Disc + AA Ability.

Jeido
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Re: Ranger Request Thread

Post#22 » Tue Dec 08, 2009 3:04 pm

A few things.

Hawk Strike (2.0 clicky) already works on bows, I don't see why the 1.5 wouldn't also. If it doesn't then okay yes definitely fix it but leave Hawk Strike alone =p

Bow damage is definitely lower post-ToV, I've been saying this for a while. But Rerfu, don't parse your SSRA bow against donator weapons and then say that the DPS are "equally geared DPS" because that is not the case. Donator weapon's are on par with 2.0's, and the 2.0's aren't matched until Fennin/Xegony loot which is tier 4/5.

Using Oaken Crossbow with a +6 damage aug and +12 raw damage arrow (btw elemental dmg does NOT work on emu from what I have heard on the past) I parse between 2k-2.5k DPS. I haven't tested with Trueshot, but you can figure it out (trueshot doubles bow damage for 1 minute).

With melee I parse 3.5k DPS using 2.0 + Sleeper weapon, both double auged with the best augs I can get on that character.

With that said, there was also a bow in PoAir that I was concerned about damage wise. It wasn't a significant upgrade from ST, even though it was two tiers ahead. I'd recommend taking a peak at that also.

Also regarding bow damage in general, the whole issue is linked wiht 2hander damage. We hit for 34ish sooooo frequently on high AC mobs. I don't think sharpshooting will help that, just because we're not actually "missing", it seems more like an ATK thing. Maybe ATK isn't being registered correctly for bow damage calculation? Is there a way to check that?
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Tyler
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Re: Ranger Request Thread

Post#23 » Tue Dec 08, 2009 4:40 pm

Jeido wrote: But Rerfu, don't parse your SSRA bow against donator weapons and then say that the DPS are "equally geared DPS" because that is not the case. Donator weapon's are on par with 2.0's, and the 2.0's aren't matched until Fennin/Xegony loot which is tier 4/5.


Correct and wrong at the same time. Correct that 2.0 match up to Fennin/Xeg loot, incorrect as to what his parsing weapons are. I think its 1.5 and something weakish. Rerfu doesn't have a Donator weapon to my knowledge.

Anyways - more feedback please.
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Spell Change -> Reload AND new Spellfile needed

Jeido
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Re: Ranger Request Thread

Post#24 » Tue Dec 08, 2009 5:22 pm

Tyler wrote:
Correct and wrong at the same time. Correct that 2.0 match up to Fennin/Xeg loot, incorrect as to what his parsing weapons are. I think its 1.5 and something weakish. Rerfu doesn't have a Donator weapon to my knowledge.

Anyways - more feedback please.


i'm not saying he has a donator weapon, i'm saying he was parsing against other members of his guild who do have one...

Rerfu wrote: Right now I parse 1300-1600 ranged non-trueshot, while melee in the guild pretty much auto-parse at least 2k with Panther once they have the appropriate AAs.


Starting to get tired of everyone assuming things about my posts. I don't pull these things out of nowhere, I pull it from previous posts/experiences.

*edited to prevent more drama*
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Tyler
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Re: Ranger Request Thread

Post#25 » Tue Dec 08, 2009 8:46 pm

Lets put it like this - he parsed with his 1.5 and Jagged Onxy Staff and compared that to the Dark Wind. Parses done today in THF against Vlan.

Let's keep this thread on topic please.
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Re: Ranger Request Thread

Post#26 » Tue Dec 08, 2009 8:59 pm

Just saw that Lillu ninja-reloaded the Server so the bows should now have the Panther Proc. Please parse again and let us know where we stand with Ranger ranged DPS.
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Re: Ranger Request Thread

Post#27 » Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:28 pm

Parsing now Sir, I just woke up. And, I'm not parsing against donators, look at Menobank's Magelo. He's a monk with 1.5 and Fungus Grove offhand, and out parses me by a ton. Please parse on Vlan and post results with the other bows, I'm trying to go apples to apples here. Initially I thought my autofire DPS was around 1300, now I found out before the change it was only 1k. I want proof on the same mob when you get a chance.

Rerfu
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Re: Ranger Request Thread

Post#28 » Tue Dec 08, 2009 11:01 pm

With new Proc

Bow Baseline:

2460 Server used Attack #mystats
105 Haste Total - 5% from v3

Vlan on 12/8/2009 in 301sec

Total
--- DMG: 330124 (100%) @ 1097 dps (1097 sdps)

Rerfu
--- DMG: 330124 (100%) @ 1097 dps (1097 sdps)

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Rerfu -vs- Vlan: -- DMG: 330124 -- DPS: 1097 -- Scaled: 1097 -- Hit: 330124 -- Non-crit rate: 59.5% -- crit rate: 40.5% -- Attempts: 385 -- Hits: 375 -- Missed: 10 -- Accuracy: 97.4% -- Avg Hit: 880 -- Max hit: 1832 -- DMG to PC: 0

DPS By Type: Does not work on ranged, it treats every shot and proc each as a Hit.

Rerfu
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Re: Ranger Request Thread

Post#29 » Tue Dec 08, 2009 11:17 pm

Nevermind, Reposting:

This is a test without Eagle Eye trying to determine the effects of Attack on Bow Damage if there are any at all:

First Parse:

Server used Attack: 1605
Haste 105
No Eagle Eye Buff

Vlan on 12/8/2009 in 301sec

Total
--- DMG: 250766 (100%) @ 833 dps (833 sdps)

Rerfu
--- DMG: 250766 (100%) @ 833 dps (833 sdps)

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Rerfu -vs- Vlan: -- DMG: 250766 -- DPS: 833 -- Scaled: 833 -- Hit: 250766 -- Non-crit rate: 64.8% -- crit rate: 35.2% -- Attempts: 397 -- Hits: 341 -- Missed: 56 -- Accuracy: 85.9% -- Avg Hit: 735 -- Max hit: 1666 -- DMG to PC: 0

Second Parse:
Server Used Attack: 1785
Haste 105
No Eagle Eye Buff

Vlan on 12/8/2009 in 301sec

Total
--- DMG: 242586 (100%) @ 806 dps (806 sdps)

Rerfu
--- DMG: 242586 (100%) @ 806 dps (806 sdps)

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Rerfu -vs- Vlan: -- DMG: 242586 -- DPS: 806 -- Scaled: 806 -- Hit: 242586 -- Non-crit rate: 67.9% -- crit rate: 32.1% -- Attempts: 405 -- Hits: 365 -- Missed: 40 -- Accuracy: 90.1% -- Avg Hit: 664 -- Max hit: 1666 -- DMG to PC: 0

So 170 Attack is basically 4% accuracy. 42.5 Attack = 1%.

In 14 * 5 min parses the highest accuracy I have ever achieved is 97.4%

This would mean that rangers are accuracy capped at 2210 buffed Attack and no longer require buffing the spell Eagle Eye.
Last edited by Rerfu on Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:11 am, edited 1 time in total.

Jeido
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Re: Ranger Request Thread

Post#30 » Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:01 am

Let me just start by saying that my max hit with a bow on normal mobs without 2.0 click is 3,548, my max hit on zombies is only 2,236, about 33% less than on the average mob, not sure why. We get the "your bow does double damage", so it can't be a root issue.

Melee damage, however, is not effected. I hit for 1193 max on both CB mobs and zombie mobs.

This is important because comparing bow damage and melee damage on these mobs is not going to give accurate information

All of these parses are with max haste, all are on Vlan, and all are with the ranger buff "Eagle Eye". All parses are also with the +80% DD foci on the epic 2.0.

None of the parses are done with Champion or Might, only Sune buffs + self buffs.

With that, here's my parse on the zombies with NO epic click, 95/20 ratio + 12 dmg arrow, 2050 base ATK:

Vlan on 12/8/2009 in 267sec

Total
--- DMG: 404087 (100%) @ 1513 dps (1513 sdps)

Billaski
--- DMG: 404087 (100%) @ 1513 dps (1513 sdps)

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Same thing, no epic click, but 2445 ATK:

Vlan on 12/8/2009 in 174sec

Total
--- DMG: 287870 (100%) @ 1654 dps (1654 sdps)

Billaski
--- DMG: 287870 (100%) @ 1654 dps (1654 sdps)

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2.0 click, 2445 ATK:

Vlan on 12/8/2009 in 181sec

Total
--- DMG: 438541 (100%) @ 2423 dps (2423 sdps)

Billaski
--- DMG: 438541 (100%) @ 2423 dps (2423 sdps)

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Melee, Panther, Shaman 2.0, no ranger 2.0 click. 2445 ATK.

Weapon MH: 67/20 with Fiery Strike II and Super Lifetap
Weapon OH: 53/20 Cold Damage: 5, Freezing Strike VII, Freezing Strike III, Super Lifetap
:

Vlan on 12/8/2009 in 163sec

Total
--- DMG: 602892 (100%) @ 3699 dps (3699 sdps)

Billaski
--- DMG: 602892 (100%) @ 3699 dps (3699 sdps)

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Same weapons, same buffs + 2.0 click:

Vlan on 12/8/2009 in 220sec

Total
--- DMG: 1043882 (100%) @ 4745 dps (4745 sdps)

Billaski
--- DMG: 1043882 (100%) @ 4745 dps (4745 sdps)

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If you take this further you can kind of get around the mitigation issue. If you add 33% dmg to 1654 DPS then you get about 2190 DPS (this would be non-2.0 DPS). If you add 33% DPS to 2423 DPS then you get 3222 DPS. So overall, ranger melee DPS in ST will do about 30% DPS more than bows, which seems more than fair to me.

Also, I don't even have the +16 damage arrow from Final Arbitor. My bow DPS would be a bit higher if I did.
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