Oaken Crossbow

[Valsavis]

Picked this up last night off The Progenitor in ST and was shocked to see the range on this bow is only 50.... the Throw Stone disc might have a longer range lmao. I would think something in the neighborhood of 150-250 would be more appropriate.

http://www.thehiddenforest.org/item.php?id=8016

Item:: Oaken Crossbow

Oaken Crossbow
MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO TRADE
Slot: RANGE
Skill : Archery Atk Delay: 20
DMG: 89 Dmg bonus: 14 (lvl70) AC: 50
Magic DMG: 3
Skill Mod: Archery +15%
Effect: Panther Maw (Combat)
Effect: Sharpshooting V (Worn)
STR: +10 DEX: +27 STA: +25 WIS: +18 INT: +17 AGI: +18 CHA: +35
HP: +490 MANA: +490 Endurance: +490
SV FIRE: +35 SV DISEASE: +35 SV COLD: +35 SV MAGIC: +25 SV POISON: +35
Avoidance: +10
Attack: +35
Accuracy: +30
Bard skill: Brass (+240%)
Required level of 70
WT: 0.1 Range: 50 Size: MEDIUM
Class: ROG BRD SHD RNG PAL WAR
Race: ALL
Slot 1, Type: 8 empty

Also I know there is a separate thread about graphics on weps but if there is an actual crossbow graphic that could be incorporated into this that would be awsomeness.

[Nexor]

I am not sure how actually the max range is calculated but the real range you can do is actually way higher.
Else i woudnt be able to stay away in 300+ range with my Ranger and still be able to fire arrows with a weapon that has 150 range on it.
And i actually believe you are able to fire in a 300+ range with the oaken xbow too.

Regarding graphic i doubt i have ever seen a Xbow graphic on live so i doubt its possible to change the graphic.

[ChaosSlayer]

there is a single crossbow model, but its not properly aligned with your character limbs, cause player model doesn't have proper animation coded for handling and using it.
When equipped your char will hold it by a tip and swing like a sword

[Valsavis]

The previous bow I was using had a 150 range. I find myself getting quite a bit closer to pull with it. Just seemed rather short concidering I've seen thrown weps with 250 range.

[ChaosSlayer]

btw, don't forget to add the range on your arrow

[Valsavis]

I'm just a warrior who likes to use a bow to pull =) no fancy arrows or anything just the ones from the grove vendor. For reference here is the bow sold in the grove... it's range is 75.

http://www.thehiddenforest.org/item.php?id=49284

Item:: Standard Issue Bow

Standard Issue Bow

Slot: RANGE
Skill : Archery Atk Delay: 28
DMG: 16 Dmg bonus: 35 (lvl70)
WT: 5 Range: 75 Size: LARGE
Class: ROG SHD RNG PAL WAR
Race: ALL
Slot 1, Type: 1 empty


With the arrows from the grove I find myself getting awfully close for pulls(rangers probably get some nice AA bennifits to improve range, etc) .If there is no interest in upping it a tad I have no problems with it, it's still a nice range item, I just found it odd.

[TheBloodmoon]

I agree, though. The range should at least match the War Bow of Rallos Zek which I believe is 150.

[Mikuz]

Iirc correctly this was the attempt to sacrifice safety for the amount of DMG over the Dagarn bow back when ST was released as the top tier, even though adding the arrow range in at the time wasn't factored in.

Imo this item should be left alone along with the many other items that should ya, could ya, would ya retune after a new tier is released, the experience will remain the same as it was for the rest of the community that was around from back when this came out to stay in all fairness.

[TheBloodmoon]

I fail to see the logic in your reasoning. There's a very clear and apparent progression pattern among the available bows in the game for a raider through the tiers. The damage on each bow does, and should, increase. As the difficulty of the encounters increases, so to should the quality of the gear. This should include the available range. If this logic was true throughout, shouldn't the poair bow (True Alabaster Hilted) have half the range of the Oaken? And furthermore, why doesn't the same logic apply to wizard nukes? Shouldn't the range be decreased for them as well? I could go on with more examples. Perhaps I'm biased, but I don't see a good reason to keep the range down on this bow when the rest of the bows have higher range, including the lower and higher tiers.

Edit: And just so you know Mikuz, I am a part of this community and have been since the first release of sebilis, before Ssra even. I'm still in favor of retuning things even months after I've gone through the content and had it "harder". Fairness isn't an issue, in my opinion.

[Jeido]

I fail to see the logic in your reasoning.

Then I guess you fail to see the logic in Tylers reasoning as well? Mikuz is correct, the crossbow has low range because of the fact that Tyler did not want rangers to be able to match melee DPS and avoid all AE's, it's just not fair. Tyler's solution, which he implemented in ST due to requests from the ranger community, was to make a powerful bow with a lower range.


After more staff members began tuning items/content, this idea got lost. I'm sure Tyler would still feel the same way as he did then, though.