Bonechiller

[Shin Noir]

http://thehiddenforest.dyndns.org/item.php?id=4070
This item drops off Rhag`Mozdezh and is procing a song I use in my typical top 4 twist, which saddens me since my 4 twist is all a bard really is. This song also has no lowered effects when since it isn't modified by any instruments, so it essentially makes me twisting this song useless for a bard. Also this is a pretty powerful proc, you're getting ~18 seconds (edit: further research shows it was nerfed to 6 seconds?) of a 400 mod 100 DD proc to your WHOLE GROUP, and if you proc in that time, you keep it up permanently.

http://thehiddenforest.dyndns.org/npc.php?id=162192

Nerf please

[Tyler]

No

There is also an Axe from Guk with the proc (Believe it's Exe Axe).

Many things other classes got here are available to all classes. Bard songs are no exception.

If this server had 150+ players this would be different but being an EMU server, you have to work around so all is possible.

[Shin Noir]

so this song is my only group buff song that doesn't last 18 seconds, and essentially should never be used since a weapon procs it. Ok

will look for something else to twist.

[Tyler]

According to your logic, all bots should be removed since they cast spells that other classes do, too.

Also, all items with any enc or shaman buff should be taken away - the buffer from the starter zone, etc etc.

I don't think that the majority of this server would want that.

[Shin Noir]

I don't mind if a weapon procs a song, but when it's one of the 4 songs I normally twist, (which is about all a bard does, is twist 4 songs withsome variation here or there), it hurts my need to be in your group. Though, what i'll likely do is get this item and proc it myself, then use a 5 twist since this song is useless for a 3 sec cast time and 6 sec duration...

But it's true most classes are totally shafted of things, and then boosted in other areas (enchanters got shafted hard with a lot of their spells and benefits, but they get awesome clickie legs, improved dire charm, and a general class redefinition to make them one of the best DPS clsases from it, ever seen a charmed enchanter pet?).

I just have no idea what bard is going to be if everyone can use songs my 4 twist eventually from weapons hehe.

Guess that's something I have to think about!

[Tyler]

No worries, i try to balance all out.

[Jeido]

No

There is also an Axe from Guk with the proc (Believe it's Exe Axe).

Many things other classes got here are available to all classes. Bard songs are no exception.

If this server had 150+ players this would be different but being an EMU server, you have to work around so all is possible.

The guk axe has Song of Storm proc, not Storm Blade. Just wanted to clear that up

[Jeido]

I don't mind if a weapon procs a song, but when it's one of the 4 songs I normally twist, (which is about all a bard does, is twist 4 songs withsome variation here or there), it hurts my need to be in your group. Though, what i'll likely do is get this item and proc it myself, then use a 5 twist since this song is useless for a 3 sec cast time and 6 sec duration...

Actually, since bard dmg is minimal anyway then it wouldnt be a bad idea to use it yourself, Shin. You could use epic OH and Bonechiller MH then essentially twist 5 songs. Storm blade duration does need to be fixed, though.

[Shin Noir]

I don't mind if a weapon procs a song, but when it's one of the 4 songs I normally twist, (which is about all a bard does, is twist 4 songs withsome variation here or there), it hurts my need to be in your group. Though, what i'll likely do is get this item and proc it myself, then use a 5 twist since this song is useless for a 3 sec cast time and 6 sec duration...

Actually, since bard dmg is minimal anyway then it wouldnt be a bad idea to use it yourself, Shin. You could use epic OH and Bonechiller MH then essentially twist 5 songs. Storm blade duration does need to be fixed, though.

That was what I was implying. Guess it wasn't clear. hehe.

[drawnir]

I have to agree on changing the effect to be a duration of 18 seconds as that's what it should be.

I know you said no to the request already Tyler, but with no disrespect meant, I'd like to toss my view in. It's not my intent to beat a dead horse.

I'm perfectly fine with using another song in my rot instead; I love when that happens! In fact, if this weapon actually achieved replacing the song, I wouldn't have made a peep and probably would have spoke against changing the effect! I love being able to have more songs up =)

However, making it a combat proc, from a bard standpoint, kind of makes the song less useful. As a song, we can keep it going indefinitely. Procs are inconsistent unless the durations are longer. if you have the weapon, and want to keep weaving it so that it is constantly going, and most bards in most situations (like Shin said, this song is great!) will use this song, a song is kind of being wasted in the weave, or the effect is being wasted, depending on your viewpoint. Certainly other things can be weaved, but having this as a combat proc does not really serve to replace the song in our lineup.

I say all this assuming your intent was to both replace the song for bards, and spread the fun to other classes, so if that was not your intent, I apologize for pushing the issue.

I hope I explained that right.

Fixes?
1. Edit the proc rate to ensure it stays up (procs every 18 seconds...is that possible/reasonable?).

2. Make it a (preferably instant) clicky...though until the song sticking/delay thing gets fixed, making it a clicky kind of throws a wrench into actually using it as a bard...probably the easiest solution though and there are other weapons/items that have clicky bard effects, so it's not an unreasonable stretch.

3. Leave it as is, and when the new spell file comes, change it then to another group proc effect? I can't think of any other spells that go to the SD buff box and are group procs.