Chaotic Swarm Leader loot table

[Aesop]

Chaotic Swarm Leader is actually supposed to be ToV named difficulty. We had quite a tough time with him, deleveling some toons and whatnot. I augged out my warrior (had been saving the ssra basement augs for better armor pieces) and we were able to kill him lol.

I completely agree with the nerf, it was needed. That belt was hot stuff, I still think some of the earrings and stuff are pretty lame but overall I agree. I just wanted to take the time to point out that Swarm Leader is tier2 world boss, not tier 1 (tier 1 is ssra blood difficulty).

Pretty much the only complaint being it should be Ferocity IV, and 45-50% haste to be more in line with the supposed difficulty. I understand the current belt has 2 aug slots, and that alone makes it very much more powerful (esp if you have access to powerful augs, which we don't. Neither will any other guild who can barely do these bosses) but the one aug slot belt which now drops is too weak for the difficulty.

Ssra belt: http://www.thehiddenforest.org/item.php?id=4150

40 AC 310 HP, Imp Parry III 45% haste with a smattering of other stats.

The new belt from Swarm Leader got nerfed a little too hard in my opinion, as well as the nova hardened hammer - well everything. Even the piercing weapon got hit hard so it's essentially the same weapon as a one tier lower world boss mob.

Swarm Leader (ToV): http://www.thehiddenforest.org/item.php?id=17410 (27/19 300 hp)
Modani (Ssra): http://www.thehiddenforest.org/item.php?id=15801 (27/20 360 hp)

High Priest (actual Ssra mob): http://www.thehiddenforest.org/item.php?id=4056 (26/19 with 310 hp)

Once again, I know the 2 aug slot thing makes a huge difference but this overnerfs the new single aug slot loot. I am not kidding we spent 2 hours wiping to the boss, mostly at 15-20% and the loot was way better than it should have been, but now it's not worth it.

I'd also like to point out I have none of this loot, we only killed him once and he dropped a 1hb that went to Upuaut, and the belt that went to Hibbitz. I have a vested interest in the loot because it was my guildmates, but I do actually agree that the loot was hit a little too hard with the nerf bat, you hit a triple when you probably only should have hit a double

[Aesop]

update:

He now has the belt augged out with augs appropriate for our gear level:

45 AC 400 hp with ferocity III 40% haste

( http://www.thehiddenforest.org/item.php?id=4047 and http://www.thehiddenforest.org/item.php?id=2999 as the augs used )

I'd like to point out with even one of those single augs he used you can get the High Priest belt:

40 AC 410 HP Imp Parry III 45% haste or 50 AC + same stats.

( http://www.thehiddenforest.org/item.php?id=4150 )

That is with 2 aug slots, from a ToV difficulty (as defined by you, not me) compared to an actual Ssra belt. Not to mention Ferocity III augs are obtained from named mobs in Sebilis. I hope I'm making my point well here.

[Aesop]

Now the weapons are a whole different deal - I understand a 2 slot weapon can have +14 damage added to it easily with the storm strike/stun augs. Effectively making the current Sneeds 41/19 , but the new ones will be the exact same as Ssra loot from a ToV difficulty named mob.

I'm using the database for my arguments here, essentially the swarm leader (and all tier 2 bosses if they were nerfed across the board) aren't worth doing for the people who are on that proper difficulty level. Of course someone in tier 3-4 gear isn't going to have any risk doing these bosses but that's the nature of world bosses.

If anyone else has any feedback or wants to point out any inconsistency in my argument please do.

[Aesop]

OK the monk logged in, his new mace is :

23/19 250 hp. http://www.thehiddenforest.org/item.php?id=13914

2 slots, type 4 type 8.

Ssra named loot (Rhag1, very very easy kill) drops http://www.thehiddenforest.org/item.php?id=4039

Khashek's Katar - 25/20 with a type 8 aug slot. and 280 hp.

I'm sure you can come up with any number of scenarios where someone with access to high level augs can maybe make the Swarm Leader weapon OP, good, as it stands as a guild who belongs to this tier we can't. Simply put, the tier 2 (ToV difficulty) world boss loots were overnerfed. I can go through loot by loot and make my point but I think I've made a sufficient argument at this point, if you would like some help or suggestions to what the loot should be tuned to just say the word and I'll publicly submit my suggestions.

Thanks guys, I know this nerf was done with the best of intentions, and it was sorely needed just not this much! =)

[Aesop]

Just for reference:

World bosses - details (custom NPCs in non custom zones)

Tier 0 - Ssra Blood difficulty level
- Chancellor of Di'Zok - Lake of Ill Omen
- Ishva Mal - Infected paw
- Stormfeather - Iceclad
- Modani Qu 'Loni- The Overthere
- Holy Windstalker - Qeynos Hills

Tier 1 - ToV named difficulty level
- Fippy Darkpaw - North Qeynos
- The Swarm Leader - Netherbian Lair
- Ancient Cyclops - Ocean of Tears

Tier 2 - Progenitor difficulty level
- Trakanasaurus Rex - Trakanon's Teeth
- Tserrina - Tower of Frozen Shadow
- Quillmane - South Karana

Tier 3 - Blaxxax The Omnified difficulty level
- King Xorbb - Gorge of King Xorbb
- Shardworm Broodmother - Great Divide
- Lady Vox - Everfrost

Tier 4 - Avatar of Mist difficulty level
- Grieg Veneficus - Grieg's End
- Severilous - Emerald Jungle
- Fellspine - Siren's Grotto

[aabamzen]

I just feel bad for the people that spent substantial sums of plat based on the old stats. I just lost a little time

[Alexandra]

Might it be possible to reset the items to their original stats but make them no drop and then make all new items dropped with the new stats and trade-able? That way the people who spent money on the items and those who farmed them specifically because they were so strong don't feel like it was all for nothing.

[Tyler]

Sorry, the stats of the mobs which have a max hit of 3.5k is SSrar difficulty and thus the items will stay the way they are now.

Beside , Rhag1 is really a bad comparison, thats the easiest mob most people can solo today i guess.

About the old gear that is now no drop, im sorry as i explained in the update but i don't see any other possibility. This stuff was totatlly overpowered and needed to be locked away.

The other possibility would have been to redesign it to the current items and make people lose their 2nd type augs. Im sure you would have hated that too. There is no good solution to it i know that and i take full responsibilty for this as it was my job to make sure this never got into the game into its current status.

[Aesop]

I don't think you understood my argument then Tyler, Rhag1 is the perfect comparison and I also made mention of how easy he was. He is one groupable and drops comparable if not better loot than the ToV difficulty tiered world bosses. Essentially from your response we just won't do world bosses, no big deal. We didn't define the difficulty, you guys did and I provided all the information that supported my statements.

I won't waste any more time trying to argue it, but we also won't waste any time on world bosses then either. Thanks for your work Tyler, even if I don't agree with what you did in this case I'm glad you are constantly tweaking and adjusting things =)

[Tyler]

Not sure where you pull your numbers from. Just 2 examples.

SSra - Arch Lich - 3.5k max hit
Tov - Dagarn the Destroyer 5.5k max hit.

Looks like i am right. Also this server is all about choices. We supply tons of those. Whats appealing to you or not, is not for me to decide. We will however not supply ToV level armor/items from mobs that are as weak or hard as SSra mobs.

Again - Tier1 mobs hat 36/20 weapons. From mobs with 3.5k max hit. THat weapon had 2 type 8 mobs. For comparsion, the sleeper himself drops the same weapon, with 40/20 stats.