Fevarn, The Omniscient

[Beatboxin]

I also agree t8 shouldn't just be handed out and imo t7 shouldn't either learning how to beat things is ever quest that wiki wright up on dsk.. It takes all the fun out of it I think I spent months learning dsk with no help back when it was the top zone and regardless of when it came out it is still now the 2nd top tier and spoils it for those who just want the easy way or find and read on that before they get there.. t7/t8 is very well done content with many twist's to learn to see them just handed out like that is no bueno imo

If you get stumped send a tell to someone who has done such things in game I know Ive help a few people out with "tips" for t7 after they have tried with many fails every one on the server is nice and helpful but to see that "how to kill" wright up on some of the best content I've seen over the years again is no bueno

Also curious as to why wright ups like that were done for t6/t7 skipping t1-t5 but either way I don't much care to see the dev's hard work go to a tell all wright up

[Tyhanna]

I don't think its a really big deal as long as "spoiler" is put on so all can see. Nobody is forced to go to the wiki. Most people will already know going to the wiki that its a spoiler and it will give the reader info on how to do the fight. T7 has been out for a long time, most everyone will tell the person asking how to do the fights if they need to know. If they dont want to know they wont ask. Same with Nadox, only those that want to know ask, or go to a wiki to find out. Seems kinda silly to me.
Seems if they are at the point of asking questions then they have tryed and need some hits or help, Isn't that what a community for to help if need be, not keep everything in secret.

Noren Nice job by the way with the wiki.

[Blique]

Like Tyhanna says, its a choice to click into the wiki.

Beyond that, THF is not everquest - if it was, I'd be playing a chanter main, none of us would be boxxing twelve toons, and there would be several thousand real life people playing here instead of 1-2 hundred.

"takes all the fun out of it"

Fun means different things to different people, and I don't think its in anyones best interests that anyone be held to anyone elses definition of that word. In fact, being held to any specific players definition of fun in the context of how that word is used in this discussion, on THF, frankly takes all the fun out of it. People should be free to play how they want within the rules, and be willing to extend that same courtesy to everyone else. If you don't want to read the wiki, then don't. If I held the view that I did not like t7 or nadox stuff being in the wiki (I do not hold that view), it would not prevent me from being being acutely aware that its not my place, nor any other players, to make that decision for anyone else but myself.

"those who just want the easy way"

Lets be real here. Some people are in this, not for any challenge beyond a certain point, but to build toons. Thats no more or less valid or legitimate a reason to to play than any other. Some people go crazy with donors, for example, which DOES make things easy. Note, I'm not pointing any fingers here, I have people meeting that description on my roster, as do many guilds. "The easy way" is a pretty cut and dry issue - if you don't want to take the easy way, then don't. Nobody is holding a gun to anyones head forcing them go heavily to fully donor, or forcing them read the wiki.

Lets try to remember here, that the content is here for enjoyment. If some people enjoy doing it easier whether through being heavily donored or through being told how to tackle an encounter, I don't see a problem with it, though I'd be happy to hear any objective explanation of why it is a problem, that didn't involve people worrying about how others are doing things.

[Stickybuds]

I kinda agree on both points. The wiki is a choice. If you want to learn the fights yourself and come up with your own strats to beat them (I've seen the same bosses killed many different ways by different guilds) then do so. If you need some hints, or just want to know the fight so you can build your characters, then do so.

But, i would like to see the highest tier content off the wiki until the next tier comes out. Beating the current endgame fights are not about building a character. There is no building after that. You build chars to beat endgame content. Beating that stuff is final challenge and should be that, a challenge. If all details of the fight are known, a lot (but not all) of that challenge is removed.

Besides, you can still have the option of getting hints, tips, and even full details from other players in game. Which is totally fine. Thats community. But i don't think the current end game fights should be a few clicks away on a website

Just my thoughts and opinions ^

Regards,
Sticky

[Nathson2]

I fully agree with Blique, Id say 95% of us or more are old school EQ players, since EQ came out nearly 14 years ago, that would make us older mostly with familes and careers. Some people just dont have the countless hours to spend banging there heads off an encounter, I used to love that, but now when I play my attention is also focused on my kid as well, and considering Im a solo player, I just dont have the time to figure out strats to an encounter all by myself. Ive done it already, and I really didnt enjoy it. Honestly just progressing through content all by myself doing stuff designed for multiple people to me is fun. So yeah if I wipe on an encounter a couple times because I cant figure it out Im going to look, because trying to figure out some encounters with a kid tearing up my house just dosnt work for me. It gets frustrating and honestly I dont play to be frustrated anymore. I deal with convicts at work, if I want to be frustrated Ill pick up an extra shift and get paid to be frustrated. I play for enjoyment, and to relive the fun I had back when i was fresh out of highschool and my only concern was having enough money to afford beer and a car payment.

That being said I also see why people wouldnt want current strats posted, Ive been on that side as well were progression was a race, pulling all nighters trying to stay ahead of the pack, and if I was in that position I wouldnt want people having acsess to strats that my guild spent hours formulating. Just made all my hard work go to waste and now instead of being number 1 with noone even close we go to being number one with 3 guilds at the same spot.

[Firenze]

Wiki is fin as it is.

T7 is almost 3 years old and T8 strats are still hidden. seems good to me.

We need to keep in mind that T7 strats can be very frustrating and can push people away from the server, and I'm not sure we want that.

[mukkel]

Just made all my hard work go to waste and now instead of being number 1 with noone even close we go to being number one with 3 guilds at the same spot.

Ultimately, that is just what ends up happening as a few things occur:
1. New End-Game content can't be created quickly enough.
2. Content is nerfed so that more and more folks can beat it.
3. Strats get leaked out.

As this happens, the playing field levels out. The guys/gals who were killing those events much earlier can farm much easier and still remain ahead since they have such a pressing lead. In the end it all works out.

You'd be surprised to see just how much the T8 content has been nerfed. I think it's a good thing, something necessary to keep players interested and pushing their limits. That said, there is a fine line of when the nerfing begins.

/fitz

[Firenze]

This halfling is smart, trust me

[Stickybuds]

thats one ugly halfling!

[mukkel]

I concur. This halfling is ugly!