Are people finding platinum to have low appeal?

[Sian]

I edited my post before you posted because I realized that I didn't take into account the double xp thing. As I said, RL probs here, sorry.

[Tristhan]

I would like to see a price around 4-5 k.

High end players can effort the ~ 1 Mio to bring alt toons directly into DSK3 (without buying evolving items tho).

And new players can sell the godly points (they will win from event) for some pp to other players.

Btw: Emperor Seravince in HoH still dropping godly points ...

[Niixnec]

I like the idea of vendor sold tokens, although personally would like to see a little higher (10k) so it still allows PC to sell for a decent 5-8k if they wanted for the dropped ones. I see it more as a supplement - I need 500 points for X or need 1000 points for y instead of a bypass of having to do any grinding (outside of those people that have more platinum and know what to do with it). If you would rather grind for plat, farm other items and sell them, great but it is at least it is a small time sink and gives you other options to grinding in HoH / Nadox to get the necessary points.

There are already quite a few shortcuts to getting into HoH with the addition of Xeru and DSK3 token (once they start to hit the market).

If you think the price is too steep for a zone that has been out for 1.5 years then with that thinking the price of the VP armor molds should come down since that has been out longer.

[Bordamere]

Despite us going back and forth on what we think are reasonable prices, this is actually the most brilliant, simplistic solution to the platinum problem and solving the HoH farming problem all at the same time. Kudos to you guys! The hottest commodity I've had to trade items with people has been the 50 pt symbols for quite some time, it only makes sense to directly tie their value to platinum I suppose.

p.s. I'm still up for some updated game of chance rewards

B-

[Beatboxin]

FYI HoH has actually been out for almost 2 1/2 years now..

In that time symbols have always gone for 5-10k so to see them on a vendor not around that price seems wrong and IMHO 8k seems a bit cheap for just like the numbers posted that's only 2 million PP for a T9 flag, 4 million gets you fully evolved gear+ flag and that's at 8k a symbol.. That being said IMHO anything less then 8k seem unreasonable for the simple fact that Bordamere pointed out you can just farm PP to bypass farming in hoh.

@Sian, yes you can just farm pp and not have to farm anything in hoh ever for anything. Once you get in HoH (and really that only requires 3 boss kills in lvl1 of T7, since you can buy a Xeru token and pure essences for t8 access quest.) you then just go farm PP for everything you need from that point on in hoh. Everything can be bought from that point on like symbols to evolve gear or get T9 flag, Chaos mask (I've seen them go for 750k-1mil. and personally bought 2 one at each price) for Chaos access. Aug's drop from all boss's in nadox and hoh so farming for augs is pointless really and not something you "have" to do.

In the end this thread is about how to make PP more appealing or things to spend it on since we are all for the most part letting it build up with nothing to spend/use it on. That said symbols being sold from a vendor and not a player will null out some PP on/going to players but it should be pricey so people are not inclined to just farm PP over content.

At 8K a symbol its only 2 million for a T9 flag, 4 million for T9 flag and fully evolved gear. So lets just say 5/5.5 million and 3 lvl1 T7 boss kills gets you t9 flagged/chaos flagged/fully evolved T8 gear... Again that's at 8K a symbol so now picture what that would be at 1-2k or even 5k a symbol.. Just does not seem right having them less then 8k.

My 2 cents on PP on this server, surprised no one has mentioned it yet and I'll probably be hung by the next 5 post's on it but I personally believe that PP is to easy to get on this server and is why things in bazaar are so pricey. Also it's why people have millions sitting around in the first place, granted if there where more things in game to spend it on via quests/flags/pots/clickys, w/e that would help to but then again if plat was not so easy to get on the server it would help more no? Just a thought for I know with a mage alt that has t2-t3 gear and his t8 pet can farm about 50-75k an hour not really trying so picture what a higher lvl player could do in a hour if trying..

[techspec6]

The whole idea to boost the worth of platinum in an economy is to offer something worth buying to as many as possible. I think the HoH tokens will be a good way to make platinum worth something again because of this. Platinum is earned, so there will be no buying your way through the game. It will be earned via kills and trades. Buying things in game is the whole reason platinum exist, afterall.

There is a big difference in buying your way through the game (via purchasing donors for others) and buying your way via platinum that's vastly earned. The later has no negative connotation as the first has.

Warbeat

[XanDeShade]

Personally i am glad this vender will be selling symbols for 8k now... You need over 120k points for flags / armor / augs... Kinda burns you out on HoH. Now at least you can do something else and still be working on your hoh gear at the same time... Just saying ppl have complained a lot in the past about the endless / repetitive hoh grind and now you have options. Thank you Viaon!

[Beatboxin]

The whole idea to boost the worth of platinum in an economy is to offer something worth buying to as many as possible. I think the HoH tokens will be a good way to make platinum worth something again because of this. Platinum is earned, so there will be no buying your way through the game. It will be earned via kills and trades. Buying things in game is the whole reason platinum exist, afterall.

This does not say much but since it was said more then once, for the love of god leave HoH alone. I mean zone 1 of T9 is done as they start to work on the second T9 zone and HoH has been nerfed down so many times from zone/event mechanics to spawn times (how many times?) to then guild lock out timers and many other bugs along the way. Each time things like this are done we push new content back and to think of doing it again just so people cant pay to now do raid events in T8 seems pointless and a waist of time. Also if PP was not so easy to get those things that are worth it/needed to get will not be gotten so easily. Yes Plat is earned via kills/trades, but the way things are now laid out you can buy your way through content and by content I mean flag progression. I never said anything about "buying your way through the game".

There is a big difference in buying your way through the game (via purchasing donors for others) and buying your way via platinum that's vastly earned. The later has no negative connotation as the first has.

Not sure what your saying here or how buying donors has anything to do with the subject for as I said you can buy your way through content not the game. Also even if you fully donor a lvl 1 you still have to flag him so donors hardly buy your way through the game cause your not soloing the game with your donor toon... It's already available to buy your way through the progression part of the game now via token's and symbols, my point is that plat has 0 value because it is so easy to get. ("vastly earned") That being said if PP was much harder to get (but still needed past T6) it would not only in the end fix the current problem of "no use" it will also lean people to just go through most of the content rather then just farming PP and "buying" there was through content just to avoid that zone or skip that quest.

[techspec6]

so much for constructive criticism. You obviously are an expert on everything so I'll bow out of this convo.

Warbeat

[Rude]

I think we can *all* agree, 1k is low. But honestly, how many people who just flagged into T8 have 4 million plat sitting in their bank? Likely only those players who have already farmed HoH to death, farmed extra chaos masks and sold them, made large sums of money from holiday events, etc.

I personally believe the point behind this change is not to make HoH some easy "purchase 75% of your way through the zone" patch, it's an effort to increase the value to platinum. There's no point in adding tokens to a vendor for 8k when I can /tell a person and purchase them from a player for roughly the same price (although they're going to be a lot harder to find now that they no longer drop in stacks off the easier events). Since they were moved to minis, I've gotten 1 symbol (ONE) off roughly 24 minis. 8k per symbol is very unreasonable by many standards, even though I myself have payed more. Even at 5k, I'd likely only purchase a small handful to finish off an item or two, and only if I had an extra surplus of platinum that I knew I wasn't going to do anything with.

But lets face facts. Most HoH trash is a joke. I see maybe 2-3 players a day in there just farming away while their 15 alts/guildies just afk at entrance. Even if the symbols were exorbitantly low, you will still see these people farming trash because guess what, those points are shared across raid. Platinum goes to 1 person.

It's just my opinion, but anything higher than 5k is not even worth putting in. I think a fair compromise is 2-4k (which even then, I'd probably only purchase an assortment of them.) HoH is no longer end game, lets stop clinging to the "You should have to farm in this zone for 3 months to finish your points" mentality, or the "The hardcore players who played the bazaar and have 12 chaos masks in banks waiting to be sold all have 20 million platinum, thus all the fresh players who have just entered T8 probably have the same amount of $$" idea. It's simply not that true.

I understand all your points. You shouldn't be able to sit in whatever plat farm your toon has and get 100% of your HoH stuff from there. But you can't buy augs. Scripted events in HoH may be easy for yourselves, but if you take 2 groups of people in full evolved gear into one of them they are still likely to wipe. Players STILL need to kill trash for augs, still need to kill minis/bosses for tasks, still need to kill events for loot. Putting a reasonable price of 2-3k per symbol does not change this in the slightest. It merely means that you wont have 1-2 DSK3 toons mass pulling trash for the 15-40 toons who are AFK at zone-in/other safe points in zone.

Noone wants to see the hard work of older toons diminished in any way (uphill, bothways), but this is the natural progression of things. T9 comes out, T8 becomes less of a farmfest.

Just mho Not flaming, just stating my viewpoint because others seem to think "new" players just have a number in their plat slot followed by 12 zeros.