Solteris Spells Feedback

[Xero]

Thought I would give some spell feedback on the spells from Solteris, in hopes of some dev free time (if that exists these days). I realize they're mostly upgraded versions of a previous line of spells through the raid tiers. Some do need some fixes, the mage spell for one.

Rated from 1 – 5 ,
1 very bad
2 bad
3 almost good not bad
4 good
5 great


Bard:

Song of the Phoenix - rating 5
http://www.thehiddenforest.org/webtools ... p?id=10109

It's a nice upgrade, does everything you'd expect. Could Song of the Phoenix over write Cantata of Hope Rk III. Currently which ever you get first is the one that stays on (neither will over write the other). Side Note: Song of the Phoenix is also on their band of the phoenix, making the grind for it not so amazing, could bards get something else on the band?

Beastlord:

Wild Cat V (no Phoenix!?) - rating 3
http://www.thehiddenforest.org/webtools ... p?id=10115

I don't like the uncontrolled pet thing. I get it, fits the theme. Damage is hard to judge, doesn't seem to show in our log. Side note: Totally missed the “Wild Phoenix”! Could summon phoenix' too. That would make Xegony jealous right?

Berserker:

Rage of the Phoenix - rating 5+
http://www.thehiddenforest.org/webtools ... p?id=10116

Great dps increase at the cost of some mitigation.

Cleric:

Faith of the Phoenix - rating 5
http://www.thehiddenforest.org/webtools ... p?id=10102

Mitigation buff for anyone you cast it on? Yes please.

Druid:

Attunement of the Phoenix - rating 3
http://www.thehiddenforest.org/webtools ... p?id=10107

This buff is decent, has nice numbers. Gets over written by Spirit of the Lion (looks like someone else brought this up already). Druid doesn't get a decent dedicated pet. Oh but wait you say they can charm! Yeah, not many zones have animals to charm, and they haven't gotten an update to pet charm. But, what about the draekon pets and WoS pets (that upgrade in NC)!? Yes, it's true, you can get those. Only their dps is lack luster, and both are better then the current wild companion druids get (bard songs/sune buffs draekon pet is around 5k dps, NC pet is close to 6k dps, Wild Companion VII 2k dps on T1 test dummy). The spell doesn't get to shine, as lack luster times anything is still sad panda. (Lack Luster * anything = sad panda) Panda druid pet when? It can pulse a debuff called sad panda! It can fit in with shm and chanter pets then.

Enchanter:

Wrath of the Phoenix - rating 4
http://www.thehiddenforest.org/webtools ... p?id=10114

Enchanters love their debuffs.

Magician:

Rain of the Phoenix - rating 4
http://www.thehiddenforest.org/webtools ... p?id=10113

Wow it's not that junk summoned clicky with 10min recast! Now all we need is it to be a spell that drops. Currently doesn't drop! Guessing it was just missed.

Monk:

Claw of the Phoenix - rating 4
http://www.thehiddenforest.org/webtools ... p?id=10108

Great for some mitigation in a pinch.

Necromancer:

Theft of the Phoenix - rating 4
http://www.thehiddenforest.org/webtools ... p?id=10100

Nice life tap with bonus damage.

Paladin:

Vengeance of the Phoenix - rating 3
http://www.thehiddenforest.org/webtools ... p?id=10103

The rune is fine, hitting group when triggered. It just feels like something should be added to it at this level. +5% to healing? Something paladin like.

Ranger:

Empowerment of the Phoenix - rating 2
http://www.thehiddenforest.org/webtools ... p?id=10105

Pretty much group regen, damage mod does nearly nothing since it's min damage. Add a max damage mod to it? Would be somewhat on par with beastlord, that already get a damage mod on their focus. Maybe make them same slot, so one has to pick between the two? /shrug

Rogue:

Wraith of the Phoenix - rating 1 (delete it and say it never happened?)
http://www.thehiddenforest.org/webtools ... p?id=10110

Illusion can be found on chest items through the tiers. It uses the combat window timer, so you can't click another skill. And regarding the threat reduction, a tank with the aggro shield will keep aggro off a rogue (with no damage disc running). Currently if you have an illusion on before clicking it, it glitches. You can't use any disc for the duration of Wraith of the phoenix, as it doesn't show up in combat window to click off. Would it be possible to get something different, anything related to damage would be nice. But, if you all think rogue (donor, as non donor rogue is getting left in the dust these days) does enough damage then how about a random illusion? It could have 5 or so illusions. You can get one buffed on you, with like a 30s recast. Or another escape like ability?

Shadow Knight:

March the Phoenix (was it suppose to be March of the Phoenix??) - rating 5++
http://www.thehiddenforest.org/webtools ... p?id=10106

Who was the SK fan boy? Godly, enough said.

Shaman:

Infusion of the Phoenix – rating 5
http://www.thehiddenforest.org/webtools ... p?id=10111

Great buff for the party. Only thing is when scribing it, it removes/over writes Gladiator Rk III instead of Godly Conversion IV.

Warrior:

Cry of the Phoenix – rating 3
http://www.thehiddenforest.org/webtools ... p?id=10101

Decent group mitigation. Could this be made into just a buff, it's annoying to remember/look to see if all my melee have a disc going before clicking it. It does go to the buff window already, but it'll take up your combat timer window too if it's empty. And side note, it would be more useful if it had some spell mitigation. If that is possible, it's cool down is pretty long.

Wizard:

Maelstrom of the Phoenix – rating 3
http://www.thehiddenforest.org/webtools ... p?id=10112

Well it does some damage, guess it has that. Wizard doesn't have dot aa. It's doesn't trigger mana flare effects when cast. It's meh over all, better off casting something else for mana flare effects. Fixes - Increase it's damage? Make mana flare effects activate when cast? Change it to a spell damage buff!? (I can dream big)

Conclusion:

These are just my thoughts, any suggested changes are meant only for the solteris spells. Some of the glitches or bugs i'd like see get fixed. It took some time to gather the spells and test them (except for the mage one that doesn't exist). As such, I hope this is at least some what useful to you all.

Thanks for any considerations!

[Ydiss]

Great, detailed feedback. Thank you!

[peterigz]

Thanks for the feedback

We'll probably revamp the whole line for the classes where it's a bit lacking. I remember when we played we also thought that some of the spells/discs seemed a bit lackluster in these lines. We'll likely revamp as we look at each class and rebalance them with new AAs etc as we've done with monk and wizard so far.

[Xero]

Great news any eta on the mage spell?

[peterigz]

I missed the creation of the mage scroll for the spell, but should be added and on the loot tables now.

[Nexor]

The bard song Song of the Phoenix

[Slot 1] Hit Points Regeneration: +100
[Slot 2] Mana Regeneration: +100
[Slot 3] Poison Counter: -10
[Slot 4] Disease Counter: -10
[Slot 5] Damage Shield: -15
[Slot 6] AC: +150

Is Slot 5 with -15 intended ?

[peterigz]

Look's like the whole Haydn's Chorus line had the same issue. Have fixed all, will update in the next update and they'll be a new spell file next patch as well.

[Higgs]

Claw of the Phoenix (monk defensive tome; 10108) is negative instead of positive on webtools (shows as a debuff).

Also March of the Phoenix is listed as "March the Phoenix" which is kind of catchy (10106)

[peterigz]

Is Claw of the Phoenix actually correct in game? I assume so as Shattering Fist I-IV are the same and have always been like that. Can someone confirm if that it does actually provide a mitigation buff?

[Nexor]

Honestly never used Shattering Fist or Phoenix one till now, tried first Phoenix one no Disc/Short Buff or Buff received same thing with Shattering Fist IV on my other Monk that didn't had Phoenix one yet.
Tested Phoenix while targeting self, Npc target.
Noticed on Phoenix monk though that on Cast Had a Twincast on Claw of the Phoenix followed by "You return to your normal fighting style."
Aprox 35 sec later another "You return to your normal fighting style."

Same thing with Shattering Fist, so something happening just can't really see a result since no buff indicator.

While looking now at the Webtools version Shattering and Phoenix line honestly see there more like a Debuff, not sure if it actually ever was tested though ? Description of it make it definitely to be a Defensive disc (even though its listed as Detrimental) , however if you take the Name of the Ability it seems the intention was maybe more of a target based Debuff ??

Proposal
a) Change it to a target based debuff and keep the names.
b) Make it into a defensive 30 sec disc and change name to something more Defensive ?? Wing of the Phoenix as an example ? Not sure about the shattering ones though.