Loly's Parses

[Lola]

Great, thanks a lot!

I "work" from home today, will parse raid buffs (including Air illusion I forgot) once changes are in / reboot done

I will also edit buffs/song stacking issue & nuke figures with Illusion.

[Mortbise]

Hello,

Since Writ of dragonkind has been changed to 6 sec cast, I will never use it again : spellgem refresh < 6 sec.
All parses are now wrong and needs to be done again using only ... 1 spell ...

Quite disappointed on that, I would have prefer:
A Manaflare tuned/remove than the free mana clicky items casting time changed....
A total rains spell review with a high level of resists (reaching 4K Dps with lv < 30 rain spells clearly shows that Manaflare could not stay as it is, same way we did change panther effect for melees when we saw that it was a big part of some melee class dps).

As I never give up/surrender, Let's go for some hours clicking the button...

I'm fairly sure that's a reference to the parsing and nuking patterns I made, so let me add a few things :

- Recast. Where, oh WHERE did you get that idea about recasts ?? I spent my entiere raid yesterday alternating thunder of ice and tome of swirling feathers, clicking them one after the other as soon as possible, the 7s recast on the tome never bothered me. it would only bother me if I click tome, and reclick asap. Recast delays affect the type they're affected to, nothing else does (I have 7 dragons and MotG backing me on that).

The recast check is done at the end of the cast. It was fine yesterday, it forced me to count to 3 before chaining another tome after the first, aka use something else for the next nuke (I did test chaining the tome, of course, to see if that aspect was well removed...)

I'll retake your calculation a bit further down the thread with my casts.
- Thunder of Ice 2.6s with Aura of devotion
- Click Tome, 4s cast, starting a 7s recast
- Thunder of Ice 2.6s
- Click tome asap, it works. Instead of a supposed 4.4 slack.

It's actually ToI 2.6, Tome 4s, ToI 2.6 and recast of tome starts here, click tome, it works. Yes, there should still be a 0.4s delay, but I seriously think it's soaked by the reaction time of both the client and the player. Unless you're playing right on the server and mashing your nuke keys like an angry german kid.

Further testing with today's new spellfile and lowered recasts : I can chain my tome. 4s cast, 4s recast. CQFD. I should say thanks, I can chain my clicky again. But actually no, I'll say "Please don't assume without acually testing".

- For mana flare now :
I had a question about the possibility (before even asking about the difficulty) of adding restrictions of level and nuke type to this buff. Though a simple level check would solve all of this actually, forcing the use of lvl 70 spells. I know mages have only one rain at 70, with built-in recast already, no idea about wizards, but I'd bet they have only one too . It would be alot better than have to rework all the rain spells, which are historically supposed to be mana efficient due to their nature, but have more risk of resists involved.

[Lola]

I dont get your point, in my mechanic 1 nuke / 1 clicky, I needed a recast time < 4.2 otherwise I just wait to clic another Nuke. I do not critic your playstyle, if you want to use 4 different spells, up to you, I just maximize DPS - I do not use other spells and that's y right. (Keep your comment about angry german kid for you).

By the way, I ll also parse rains + Manaflare and post also results this weekends.
Having 12K critics Manaflare + rains dmg with 3 rains spells (with true fire/cold focus) in a raw is something i need to parse to show if Manaflare should or not be adjusted.

Read Tyler's quot about recast purpose and then re-read what I wrote (for my playstyle) and asked him to adjust.

[Jameus]

I think everything is fine the way it is now. When newer Tiers go live we're going to want that dps. I don't think saving mana at the cost of cutting your dps is something many people would consider anyways. And if that's a strat people want to use so be it. EQ is all about trying to get the same results with different processes. Bottom line is if you want the best dps you're going to burn mana period.

[Mortbise]

I dont get your point, in my mechanic 1 nuke / 1 clicky, I needed a recast time < 4.2 otherwise I just wait to clic another Nuke. I do not critic your playstyle, if you want to use 4 different spells, up to you, I just maximize DPS - I do not use other spells and that's y right. (Keep your comment about angry german kid for you).

By the way, I ll also parse rains + Manaflare and post also results this weekends.
Having 12K critics Manaflare + rains dmg with 3 rains spells (with true fire/cold focus) in a raw is something i need to parse to show if Manaflare should or not be adjusted.

Read Tyler's quot about recast purpose and then re-read what I wrote (for my playstyle) and asked him to adjust.

You didn't read what I wrote. Period.

- Where do I mention chaining 4 spells ? Nowhere. One nuke (Thunder of Ice), one click (Ancient spear of Gelaqua from the tome of swirling feathers), same setup you mention. Do you want me to actually shoot a video of myself chaining the tome of swirling feathers, which by your belief shouldn't be possible ?

I will say it clear as day again : 4s cast, 4s recast, does NOT prevent from chain-clicking. 4s cast, 7s recast, did induce a 3s wait and was the required, intended fix to prevent chain-casting.

- The kid ? Oh come on, I said the possible .4s waiting time in my setup was soaked by ping and human + client reaction time, and that to actually get hit by that you'd probably have to play right on the server and mash nuke keys like that (in)famous kid. Read again : Mash nuke keys like crazy. Once again, re-read, it's a straight quote from my post.

- Parse rain ? I did already. It's evident mana flare + rains dish out way too much damage, Tyler understood it right away when I exposed the tome of swirling feathers. I went as far as proving it with parses of high-level and low-level rains, to show the kind of DPS it dishes.

Heck even on the paper, it's evident, you get 3 mana flare procs per spell instead of one. What more to say ?

This just brought me another idea for mana flare : rather than add a fixed ammount, should/could it bring a percentage ? Again, the feasability could cause a few nightmares to devs. But this too would completely fix mana flare in regards to rains and their multi-hits (but I still am dead sure it should get a level restriction so it's not used with the lowest spells).


Zalux > remember, I managed to match my full-burn dps from ToI + click with rains. Actually, I vastly got ahead of it with rains, since a full volley could last other 5 minutes, the cooldown of my improved gather mana, when the ToI/click setup would leave me with some time OOM (2 minutes roughly, if I remember well). I'm sure that's a result Loly could get too, since her full burn is around 3 minutes long too.

[Jameus]

Yeah, my dps with rains was also higher. Still don't see an issue with it. A mage is supposed to be amazing dps and we are so I'm very happy! If anything just make the rains cost more mana to cast. Also make it so that Mana Flare from the LDON merchants scale in cost. Perhaps 300,600,900 points. I'd be MORE than willing to get mine removed and buy it back after obtaining the points for it. It's a reward for hard work.

Perhaps Mana Flare could be scaled. The higher the lvl of the spell which it gets applied to the closer to full damage it does with 70 being full damage. No clue if that's possible. I don't think you should limit what level spell it can be applied to though.

[Lola]

Once again Mortbise:

I do not critic your playstyle, do not critic mine that's lal. When I say if YOU want to go with 4 spells, it is a generic YOU (everyone except me).

Also once again: read Tyler's quote! Recast was setup by Tyler to avoid chain clicky on low casting time clickies and abuse manaflare III, ALL clickies ARE NOT 4 sec cast (writ is 2 sec). 4 sec recast on a 4 sec cast means that you can chain it I agree BUT :
clicky dmg + manaflare / 4sec to get Dps and not /2sec with writ of dragonkind was.
And If all clickies were 4 sec I wouldn't even use it because spellgem refresh is < 2.5 sec, got it?

For the story, clicky items spells / nuke for casters were introduced to give casters something to do between 2 casts (spellgem refresh) - writ of dragonkind was even created under my request nearly 9 mmonths ago, I know what I am talking about.

Regarding Rains, I ll parse and post, we will discuss after on a separate thread.

My goal is also to help balancing, I am working on wizards (and other casters since 9months). You were the one revealing parses about OP rains on Tome + manaflare and I am proud of you. /kiss

PS edit: corrected Typo on MortBise.

[Lola]

Yeah, my dps with rains was also higher. Still don't see an issue with it. A mage is supposed to be amazing dps and we are so I'm very happy!

A mage DPS should be where Admins decide it to be. I am not against mages, I just say that a powerfull pet + Rains & Manaflare III should not put Mages at a dps spot they shouldn't be.

Are we talking about balance or who has the biggest one?
Do not think I only think as a wizard, I also have 7 toons 2.0 behind and more to come, just the latest one do not have the gear to make parses...)

[Lola]

I quote myself

This is done so you can't just Flare yourself and keep clicking a Mana less item forerver. It should be no penalty in using it the way it was designed -> click between spell refreshes.

6 sec cast time was too much to get this done, so i will change it to 4 secs recast to meet spell refresh of high level nukes.

We are not talking about a 2.6 sec nuke also as Tyler mentionned it.

[Lola]

Mortbise, you got a point and I was wrong on 1 point in my calculation - I apologize for that.

Chaotic detonation 4.2 sec (with true devo)
Writ 2 sec + 6 sec recast
Chatoci detonation 4.2 sec meaning I had 1.8 to wait till a spell can land => Writ 2 sec it was ok.

I could have casted Writ and the recast would have been UP when the casting bar was nearly at 100%
So, < 5.8 sec (to make sure no lag could interferLag would have been also perfect)
My bad on that, Tyler feel free to set it up from 4 sec to < 5.8 sec (also in my case, my mechanic, my request).