Necromancer: Spell resistance vs. High-End Mobs

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Re: Necromancer: Spell resistance vs. High-End Mobs

Post#21 » Sat Sep 10, 2011 1:33 pm

Reid wrote:So, there's a sticky in this same subforum called "how to parse."

I'd pick it up and try chain casting on CT dummy and see what kind of resist you get. It will log it for you.

Okay, the parsing program doesn't show and track resist messages directly, but the log search function allowed me to hunt them up easily.

Here's the results: I used the Cazic-Thule Dummy in the Guild Hall, and ran myself from full to OOM, used my gather mana clicky, then ran myself OOM again, spamming a single spell: Curse of Undeath Rk. I (Magic, Resist Mod -150).

Out of a total of 33 casts, 19 were resisted, for a resistance rate of about 57.5%. That's rather unreliable don't you think? And he's not even the most resistant dummy available; the Fennin Ro dummy is even tougher to land spells on.

Here's the log according to the parser, if you want to see it yourself.

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[Sat Sep 10 07:46:09 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:46:09 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:46:09 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 4002 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:46:10 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:46:11 2011] You begin casting Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:46:12 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:46:12 2011] Your target resisted the Curse of Undeath Rk. I spell.
[Sat Sep 10 07:46:15 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 4002 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:46:18 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:46:19 2011] You begin casting Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:46:21 2011] Your target resisted the Curse of Undeath Rk. I spell.
[Sat Sep 10 07:46:21 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 8004 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:46:24 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:46:27 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 8004 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:46:28 2011] You begin casting Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:46:30 2011] Your Curse of Undeath Rk. I spell has worn off of Cazic Thule Dummy.
[Sat Sep 10 07:46:30 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy's skin dissolves away.
[Sat Sep 10 07:46:30 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:46:33 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 8004 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:46:36 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:46:37 2011] You begin casting Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:46:38 2011] Your Curse of Undeath Rk. I spell has worn off of Cazic Thule Dummy.
[Sat Sep 10 07:46:38 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy's skin dissolves away.
[Sat Sep 10 07:46:39 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 8004 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:46:42 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:46:45 2011] You begin casting Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:46:45 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 8004 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:46:47 2011] Your Curse of Undeath Rk. I spell has worn off of Cazic Thule Dummy.
[Sat Sep 10 07:46:47 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy's skin dissolves away.
[Sat Sep 10 07:46:48 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:46:51 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 8004 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:46:54 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:46:54 2011] You begin casting Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:46:56 2011] Your Curse of Undeath Rk. I spell has worn off of Cazic Thule Dummy.
[Sat Sep 10 07:46:56 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy's skin dissolves away.
[Sat Sep 10 07:46:57 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 4002 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:47:00 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:47:02 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:47:03 2011] You begin casting Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:47:03 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 4002 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:47:05 2011] Your target resisted the Curse of Undeath Rk. I spell.
[Sat Sep 10 07:47:06 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:47:09 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 4002 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:47:10 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:47:11 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:47:11 2011] You begin casting Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:47:12 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:47:13 2011] Your target resisted the Curse of Undeath Rk. I spell.
[Sat Sep 10 07:47:15 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 4002 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:47:18 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:47:18 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:47:18 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:47:18 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:47:19 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:47:20 2011] You begin casting Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:47:21 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 8004 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:47:21 2011] Your Curse of Undeath Rk. I spell has worn off of Cazic Thule Dummy.
[Sat Sep 10 07:47:21 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy's skin dissolves away.
[Sat Sep 10 07:47:24 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:47:27 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 8004 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:47:28 2011] You begin casting Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:47:28 2011] You can't use that command right now...
[Sat Sep 10 07:47:29 2011] You can't use that command right now...
[Sat Sep 10 07:47:30 2011] Your target resisted the Curse of Undeath Rk. I spell.
[Sat Sep 10 07:47:30 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:47:33 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 8004 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:47:35 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:47:35 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:47:36 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:47:36 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:47:37 2011] You begin casting Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:47:38 2011] Your target resisted the Curse of Undeath Rk. I spell.
[Sat Sep 10 07:47:39 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 4002 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:47:42 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:47:44 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:47:44 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:47:45 2011] You begin casting Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:47:45 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 4002 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:47:47 2011] Your Curse of Undeath Rk. I spell has worn off of Cazic Thule Dummy.
[Sat Sep 10 07:47:47 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy's skin dissolves away.
[Sat Sep 10 07:47:48 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:47:51 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 4002 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:47:54 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:47:55 2011] You begin casting Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:47:57 2011] Your target resisted the Curse of Undeath Rk. I spell.
[Sat Sep 10 07:47:57 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 8004 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:00 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:03 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 4002 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:04 2011] You begin casting Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:05 2011] Your Curse of Undeath Rk. I spell has worn off of Cazic Thule Dummy.
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:05 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy's skin dissolves away.
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:06 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:09 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 8004 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:10 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:11 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:11 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:12 2011] You begin casting Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:12 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:14 2011] Your target resisted the Curse of Undeath Rk. I spell.
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:15 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 8004 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:18 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:19 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:19 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:20 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:20 2011] You begin casting Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:21 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 4002 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:22 2011] Your Curse of Undeath Rk. I spell has worn off of Cazic Thule Dummy.
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:22 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy's skin dissolves away.
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:24 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:27 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 8004 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:28 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:29 2011] You begin casting Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:30 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:31 2011] You body is filled with stolen energy.
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:31 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy's visage takes on a pained look.
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:31 2011] Your Curse of Undeath Rk. I spell has worn off of Cazic Thule Dummy.
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:31 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy's skin dissolves away.
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:33 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 4002 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:33 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 2940 damage from your Undeath's Curse.
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:35 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:36 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:36 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:36 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:37 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:38 2011] You begin casting Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:39 2011] Your Curse of Undeath Rk. I spell has worn off of Cazic Thule Dummy.
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:39 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy's skin dissolves away.
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:39 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 4002 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:39 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 2940 damage from your Undeath's Curse.
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:42 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:45 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 4002 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:45 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 2940 damage from your Undeath's Curse.
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:46 2011] Insufficient Mana to cast this spell!
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:46 2011] Insufficient Mana to cast this spell!
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:47 2011] Insufficient Mana to cast this spell!
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:47 2011] Insufficient Mana to cast this spell!
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:47 2011] Insufficient Mana to cast this spell!
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:48 2011] Insufficient Mana to cast this spell!
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:48 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:49 2011] Insufficient Mana to cast this spell!
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:51 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 4002 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:51 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 2940 damage from your Undeath's Curse.
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:52 2011] You begin casting Gather Mana.
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:54 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:57 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 8004 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:48:57 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 5880 damage from your Undeath's Curse.
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:00 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:03 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 8004 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:03 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 5880 damage from your Undeath's Curse.
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:06 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:07 2011] You gather mana from your surroundings.
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:08 2011] You begin casting Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:09 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:09 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:09 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 4002 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:09 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 2940 damage from your Undeath's Curse.
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:10 2011] You body is filled with stolen energy.
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:10 2011] Your Undeath's Gift spell has worn off of Xarab.
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:10 2011] Your Undeath's Curse spell has worn off of Cazic Thule Dummy.
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:10 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy's visage takes on a pained look.
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:10 2011] Your Curse of Undeath Rk. I spell has worn off of Cazic Thule Dummy.
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:10 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy's skin dissolves away.
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:10 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:11 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:12 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:12 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:13 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:13 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:14 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:15 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:15 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 8004 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:15 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 5880 damage from your Undeath's Curse.
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:16 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:16 2011] You begin casting Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:18 2011] Your target resisted the Curse of Undeath Rk. I spell.
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:18 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:18 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:19 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:20 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:21 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 4002 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:21 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 2940 damage from your Undeath's Curse.
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:22 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:23 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:23 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:24 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:24 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:25 2011] You begin casting Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:27 2011] Your target resisted the Curse of Undeath Rk. I spell.
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:27 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 4002 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:27 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 5880 damage from your Undeath's Curse.
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:30 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:32 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:32 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:33 2011] You begin casting Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:33 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 8004 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:33 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 2940 damage from your Undeath's Curse.
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:35 2011] Your target resisted the Curse of Undeath Rk. I spell.
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:36 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:39 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:39 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 8004 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:39 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 2940 damage from your Undeath's Curse.
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:40 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:40 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:41 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:42 2011] You begin casting Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:42 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:44 2011] Your target resisted the Curse of Undeath Rk. I spell.
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:46 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 4002 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:46 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 2940 damage from your Undeath's Curse.
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:48 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:49 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:51 2011] You begin casting Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:52 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 4002 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:52 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 2940 damage from your Undeath's Curse.
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:52 2011] Your Curse of Undeath Rk. I spell has worn off of Cazic Thule Dummy.
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:52 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy's skin dissolves away.
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:54 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:58 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 8004 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:58 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 2940 damage from your Undeath's Curse.
[Sat Sep 10 07:49:59 2011] You begin casting Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:00 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:01 2011] Your target resisted the Curse of Undeath Rk. I spell.
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:04 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 8004 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:04 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 2940 damage from your Undeath's Curse.
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:04 2011] Your Undeath's Curse spell has worn off of Cazic Thule Dummy.
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:06 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:08 2011] You begin casting Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:10 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 8004 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:10 2011] Your target resisted the Curse of Undeath Rk. I spell.
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:12 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:15 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:15 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:16 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 4002 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:16 2011] You begin casting Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:18 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:18 2011] Your target resisted the Curse of Undeath Rk. I spell.
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:22 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 4002 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:23 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:24 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:24 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:24 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:24 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:25 2011] You can't use that command right now...
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:25 2011] You begin casting Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:27 2011] Your Curse of Undeath Rk. I spell has worn off of Cazic Thule Dummy.
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:27 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy's skin dissolves away.
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:28 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 8004 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:30 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:33 2011] You begin casting Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:34 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 8004 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:35 2011] Your target resisted the Curse of Undeath Rk. I spell.
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:36 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:39 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:40 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 4002 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:40 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:40 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:41 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:42 2011] You begin casting Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:42 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:44 2011] You body is filled with stolen energy.
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:44 2011] Your Undeath's Gift spell has worn off of Xarab.
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:44 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy's visage takes on a pained look.
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:44 2011] Your Curse of Undeath Rk. I spell has worn off of Cazic Thule Dummy.
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:44 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy's skin dissolves away.
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:46 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 4002 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:46 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 2940 damage from your Undeath's Curse.
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:48 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:49 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:50 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:50 2011] You begin casting Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:52 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 4002 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:52 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 2940 damage from your Undeath's Curse.
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:52 2011] Your target resisted the Curse of Undeath Rk. I spell.
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:54 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:57 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:58 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 4002 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:58 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 2940 damage from your Undeath's Curse.
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:58 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:58 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:50:59 2011] You begin casting Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:51:00 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:51:01 2011] Your target resisted the Curse of Undeath Rk. I spell.
[Sat Sep 10 07:51:04 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 8004 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:51:04 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 2940 damage from your Undeath's Curse.
[Sat Sep 10 07:51:06 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:51:06 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:51:06 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:51:07 2011] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sat Sep 10 07:51:08 2011] You begin casting Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:51:10 2011] Your target resisted the Curse of Undeath Rk. I spell.
[Sat Sep 10 07:51:10 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 4002 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:51:10 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 5880 damage from your Undeath's Curse.
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[Sat Sep 10 07:51:16 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 4002 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:51:16 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 2940 damage from your Undeath's Curse.
[Sat Sep 10 07:51:16 2011] Insufficient Mana to cast this spell!
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[Sat Sep 10 07:51:18 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:51:18 2011] Insufficient Mana to cast this spell!
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[Sat Sep 10 07:51:20 2011] Auto attack is on.
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[Sat Sep 10 07:51:22 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 4002 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:51:22 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 2940 damage from your Undeath's Curse.
[Sat Sep 10 07:51:24 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:51:28 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 4002 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:51:28 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 5880 damage from your Undeath's Curse.
[Sat Sep 10 07:51:30 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:51:34 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 4002 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:51:34 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 2940 damage from your Undeath's Curse.
[Sat Sep 10 07:51:34 2011] Your Undeath's Curse spell has worn off of Cazic Thule Dummy.
[Sat Sep 10 07:51:36 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:51:40 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 8004 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:51:42 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:51:46 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 4002 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:51:48 2011] The Spellshield absorbed 19 of 62 points of damage
[Sat Sep 10 07:51:52 2011] Cazic Thule Dummy has taken 8004 damage from your Curse of Undeath Rk. I.
[Sat Sep 10 07:51:52 2011] Your Curse of Undeath Rk. I spell has worn off of Cazic Thule Dummy.
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Re: Necromancer: Spell resistance vs. High-End Mobs

Post#22 » Sat Sep 10, 2011 4:54 pm

I would say that for raid boss type of target 50% resist should be appropriate (if they are such for all caster classes).
And then with de-buffs you could bring them down to 25%.

Of course problem is, that class like wizard has inherently low resist spells, while necro don't, while it should be the other way around (IMHO). It should be that the caster who does MOST burst damage have the highest resists, while those who have smallest burst dmg, have lowest resists to compensate.

yes, i do believe that DPS caster class SHOULD make a dependency combo with support debuffers, but it should not be just 1 class, like shaman on whom everyone should relay for debuffing. The debuffs should be spread across different classes to specific element.
And each class who has a debuff spell, can't debuff for his own spells.

For example: if necro spells are Poison, Disease and Fire - he should be allowed to cast debuffs for either Cold or Magic

Just an idea ;)

DISCLAIMER: what said above, was with RAID BOSS encounters in mind, not for common trash/solo mobs.
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Re: Necromancer: Spell resistance vs. High-End Mobs

Post#23 » Sat Sep 10, 2011 9:47 pm

I can kinda see where you're coming from, but think about this for a minute; not only is the dependency backwards just like you described, Necros are about the only class that suffers from this when it comes to DPS.

Shamans and Mages get the Malo-line, capping off with Malosinia and Torrent of Malsoin. Enchanters get Word of the Phantasmist. The best wizard DPS spells, such as Chaotic Detonation, Storm Strike, Flame Blaze, and Gelid Strike, have good resist mods, and on top of that they get two familiars, which let them beat resistances even with mediocre resist mods by casting as a Lv79 character. Every other spellcasting-primary class is a healer.

What does this mean?

Necros are the only caster-primary DPS class that doesn't have an inherent means of beating resistance to ALL of the damage types they commonly use.

Now, that tells me something. That tells me that clothies like me are supposed to be self-sufficient, if they play smart and use their resistance debuffs, or use buffs that let them beat resistances in the case of wizards. But my resistance debuff does not affect all of the resistances I typically use, so I can't be self-sufficient.

Other people (speaking in general; my guildies are more awesome than this) do not like being asked to memorize a resist debuff solely so I can DPS past T4. Wizards laugh at resistance mechanics. Magicians and enchanters can take care of their own resistance debuffing. Most other classes don't even need to worry about debuffing resistance, since their DPS is melee based or they're healers.

Why should they have to do it for me? Why is my class the sole exception? What's so special and uber about Necromancer DPS that it requires this sort of nerfing to be balanced?

I just want to be able to take care of my own spells' resistance problems. In a game where literally every other class that shares my armor type can potentially do so, I don't feel that's so wrong.
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Re: Necromancer: Spell resistance vs. High-End Mobs

Post#24 » Sat Sep 10, 2011 10:06 pm

Man that mage t8 resist debuff is so sexy.

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Re: Necromancer: Spell resistance vs. High-End Mobs

Post#25 » Sat Sep 10, 2011 11:13 pm

Nerva wrote:and on top of that they get a Familiar, which lets them beat resistances even with mediocre resist mods by casting as a Lv79 character.


If that does what you say it does, everyone should get this focus.
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Re: Necromancer: Spell resistance vs. High-End Mobs

Post#26 » Sat Sep 10, 2011 11:21 pm

Tch, figures there'd only be three items that grant that focus, and the earliest of them is wizard only.

For reference purposes...

While having these might solve the issue, it's still lame that Necros are essentially required to have a particular item just to DPS reliably, whereas all the other cloth classes can get by on spells and AA-abilities.

BTW, those ToV legs are incredibly silly. It has both Brilliance of the Ancients and Brilliance of Chaos on it. Brilliance of the Ancients is +23 to effective caster level (wearer casts as a level 93 character), and then it also has a Brilliance of Chaos clicky on top of that (for a total effective caster level of 108. LEVEL 108.) And then you have Allegiant/Devoted Familiar (for those of you keeping track at home, that's an effective caster level of 117).

I gotta ask, what the heck kind of mob would require an effective caster level of 117 to overcome their resistance? Considering that wizards are already proud owners of some of the most broken resist mods in the game, why would anyone give them these kinds of focii exclusively?

What.
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Re: Necromancer: Spell resistance vs. High-End Mobs

Post#27 » Sat Sep 10, 2011 11:59 pm

Ah I really like Writ of Dragonkind.
Kind of wish that line of gear continued across the tiers.

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Re: Necromancer: Spell resistance vs. High-End Mobs

Post#28 » Sun Sep 11, 2011 12:02 am

Effective casting level on live never worked above the level cap for players. So was only useful if you got it before max level or when leveling after a new expansion.
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Re: Necromancer: Spell resistance vs. High-End Mobs

Post#29 » Sun Sep 11, 2011 12:25 am

The Brilliance line only affects spell fizzles I thought?
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Re: Necromancer: Spell resistance vs. High-End Mobs

Post#30 » Sun Sep 11, 2011 12:38 am

Reid wrote:The Brilliance line only affects spell fizzles I thought?

If you're correct, then it still doesn't help necros any. The only way to get over an enemy's magic resistance is either through outside help or items with Malo-line effects.

Wizards still have the strongest resist mods in Norrath, and all other cloth casters have ways of lowering resistance for any resistance type they use, and often a couple that they don't.

If you're wrong and effective caster level also helps overcome resistance, (I do know from playing a wizard that you have a harder time landing spells if you're lower level than the enemy you're casting on), then wizards are even more broken. Not only can they beat resistance easy, but they don't even have to try in order to do it.

It also impacts Wizards less; if they get resisted, it's just a few seconds until they can cast again. They've missed out on, at most, 15 seconds of their DPS. If a necro gets resisted on a DoT, he just lost out on enough mana to put out 30-seconds to a minute of DPS with that DoT. Necromancers have less mana (no familiar), and lower mana regen unless they sacrifice health for it, so every resist a Necro takes hurts their DPS over the course of a mana bar far more than it would hurt a Wizard's.
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