Bordamere wrote:jkwon84 wrote:
if you bring up non donor dps (+bs augs), all that will do is change the above sentence into a class wide gap.
basically, this is no small fix.
This is a huge part of what I was attempting to get at in a long-winded kind of way I suppose. You keep asking me for parsing numbers. I can't get you fair and adequate parsing numbers due to how the zones react that you have the parsing dummies in.
In the guildhall and forest, my discs are infinite, my clickies never run out, I can basically make that 22(?) seconds of pure bliss last forever instead of once every 8-10 minutes. Going all out on the T8 dummy with my best clickies/discs/and even opening with Death Bringer rk. III, I can push just over 500k over a 3 minute period without any debuffing assistance. This is the problem though and makes it impossible for anyone to do a real assessment on comparable dps because mine lasts forever only in these 2 zones...
If you take even the mage calculation with the double donor weapon/aug/chest and take that outside of the guildhall/forest, they can sustain theirs, where as I cannot. Again, not a fair assessment for anyone. If I remember correctly, there were dummies in the arena too, weren't there? If so I can go give you a real number from there, but if they aren't there anymore, I don't know what to tell you. It's just not a realistic number otherwise.
Sosten is right about the above too. It was the Immaculate Blade of the Elements and it had +95 BS dmg on it without augs. Chaos aug, Shard of Avilaine or whatever had +45 BS on it.
A simplistic way to less the gap between donors and non is to add some +BS to the type 4's, either the T5 quest aug, Sol ro even? and add some to the 2.5/2.8 augs since anyone donating wouldn't use them anyways. None of the augs outside of this could have more than +15 without helping the donor achieve greater heights. Dark Coffin from DSK2 only has +2 bs, Immaculate Gem of Plague from Twins(?) has +6. Obviously these could be and probably should be boosted to be more in line. I dropped a couple million plat during christmas picking up both Green Ornaments. The DSK3 aug that you will find in Gio's mainhand weapon is from DSK3 as well. You have choices out there. I did my research and farmed all available options there were before recently buying my donor augs even.
Again, Koraf hit it on the head. It's not a simple fix, and not going to be a simple fix. The only simple fix to this is nerfing donors augs to please the people feeling disparaged. It wasn't intended to be a shot at you, it just felt like you were on the offensive against rogues; no lynch mobs please!
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Yes, adding +bs to slot 4/30 from PoAir would be nice as it wouldn't collide with donor augs which obviously always get placed in those two slots, but those are pretty low tiers and the +bs on them would probably be very low and mean very little once you hit t8. There would need to be new slot 4/30 augs in higher tiers with higher +bs in order to come anywhere within the same solar system of +95 and +105. Maybe slot 4/30 augs with +40/45 that are quested in t8? And slightly lesser such augs in t6/7.
I'm not forming a lynch mob, I'm trying to find a solution to an obviously clear problem. I just felt like you were trying to ignore the problem from the general attitude of previous posts.
It is a major issue 
The rogue class is entirely balanced on how much backstab damage you can fit into your dagger. The fact that a couple donator augs that are each quadruple the damage of anything you can obtain normally (making it 8x more if you have both) and fit in slots that no other BS aug can fit into is, by its very definition, a major issue 
But I'm not going to argue semantics.
At least from everything that has ever been posted about them. In addition to vaion's post saying "there are no current plans on adding more slot 30 augs, but it is something we will look into..."