Non-donor vs donor damage

[PKinternet]

I cant see how anyone keeps aggro away from rogues with that kind of dps. My rogue is mid tier 7 geared with the donor dagger and my warrior is constantly taunting junk off him.

That's the play on such high DPS... Rogues can burst DPS like crazy but without strategic timing or strategic aggro control on tanks, it will quickly lead to "Loading, Please Wait..."

Shoot for high AC and HP on the rog and that problem goes away. My rog takes aggro in Vex Thal and I don't worry about it. Sometimes the Rog dies but the damage is done by that point and the battle is won.

If I can get all the buffs/debuffs/breast plates clicked before silence, I can take down Jantarx Kor Voinyx just as he summons his first round of adds.

Yvuarxx Nak Talriem does not even get close to his adds before he is dead.

[Banai]

Is there anyone who is doing T8/T9 without donored toons? I would very much appreciate parses from someone who does.

[Banai]

Whats the reason that makes a donored rogue do 3-400k rather than 20k for a VT geared one? Is it weapon damage on the donor weapon? The 4x(?) stabs from bp? Which (if any) of the donor effects could be added to normal items to increase the dmg non-donored chars can deal? I realize that a donor toon should always be significantly ahead, but if a VT geared rogue gets outdamaged by a rk1 pet with donor weapon buff then something is a bit skewed wouldnt you say?

[Nilbus]

Whats the reason that makes a donored rogue do 3-400k rather than 20k for a VT geared one? Is it weapon damage on the donor weapon? The 4x(?) stabs from bp? Which (if any) of the donor effects could be added to normal items to increase the dmg non-donored chars can deal? I realize that a donor toon should always be significantly ahead, but if a VT geared rogue gets outdamaged by a rk1 pet with donor weapon buff then something is a bit skewed wouldnt you say?

Extra stabs + way higher BS dmg from donor weapons + augs. My rogue doesn't have the best combination of BS augs, but is sitting at 282 BS dmg, 200 of it from the 2 donor augs. (might be higher if the bs dmg on the shoulder class item actually works, not sure)

Personally I don't think it's wrong for a Donor dps class (mage pet in this case) to out dmg a non donor dps class. If it were like, a Donor Warrior or SK outdamaging a t9 rogue, yeah that would be off.

[Stickybuds]

Did a parse with my wizard Loki this morning. He is non-donor expect for legs. He has rk3 spells, and best in slot gear for wizards from T8 and T9 (minus talriem rares).
Rk3 basic buffs (sune arms)
Rk3 songs
Aura of the Bloodmage

No debuffs or special temp buff clickies, no epic buffs

35k dps

http://www.thehiddenforest.org/webtools ... acter=Loki

I am working on a non-donor zerker atm, he is pretty decent geared now but lacking a lot of AAs. Only 150AAs atm he does 18k dps with same buff setup and no disc or debuffs. I'm test him again once he gets his AAs built up.

[Rude]

If you're still curious

Ran a few tests against a T8 mini. Vebobn/Kabanab = Necro Rk. II pet with donor 1.0 weapon buff, other than weapon buff is totally non donor. Roer = totally non donor BST in mostly T8 stuff (can definitely be geared better, but lazy.) Bst didn't pop any burns, necro is just throwing out 3-4 dots, few swarm pets and then spamming group lifetaps. Zero donor buffs except the donor 1.0 on necro, just playing with basic guild hall Sune buffs.

Enji Vismen in 279s, 11840k @42437sdps --- #1 Vebobn 4310k@15446sdps (15671dps in 275s) --- #2 Roer`s Warder 3801k@13623sdps (13721dps in 277s) --- #3 Roer 1573k@5637sdps (5740dps in 274s) --- #4 Mukk + pets 1443k@5171sdps (5986dps in 241s)

Enji Vismen in 287s, 11377k @39640sdps --- #1 Vebobn 4464k@15554sdps (15663dps in 285s) --- #2 Roer`s Warder 3388k@11806sdps (11930dps in 284s) --- #3 Mukk + pets 1479k@5154sdps (5561dps in 266s) --- #4 Roer 1383k@4818sdps (4868dps in 284s)

Duke Cruthz in 250s, 10008k @40032sdps --- #1 Kabanab 3634k@14537sdps (14834dps in 245s) --- #2 Roer`s Warder 2733k@10931sdps (10931dps in 250s) --- #3 Mukk + pets 1464k@5857sdps (6626dps in 221s) --- #4 Roer 1307k@5227sdps (5248dps in 249s)

Can spike the BST to 30k-ish with burns in same setup.

[Banai]

30k seems to be around the max you can do with a non-donored char, and thats bst/rogue and apparaently wiz! More of these parses would be sweet, could you also provide magelos to your chars and what kind of rotations/clickies youve used?
Thanks alot!

NVM I see magelos are provided already )

[Stickybuds]

My rotation for wizard is use all instant click items, then instant cast spells, then chronic destruction when all clicks and spells on cool down. This creates a metric ton of aggro btw. If aggro is an issue i used to do chaotic destruction then instant clicks and spells in between big nuke cooldowns.

For melee i try to do just auto attack and maybe the basic attack like volley/frenzy or backstab.

I could give some burn type parse if ya like too.

[Rude]

Figured I'd post an update after getting Mukk all his Rank 3 spells 5m parses on Atcho, in order to keep everything simple (and more importantly, equal) I did these with no pet toys, no debuffs and the only buffs used were Necro donor 1.0 weapon buff, Aura of the Death Bringer, and Elemental Mastery buff (click stick from VP). Numbers on the left are with pet being summoned with Dark Minion pet foci, numbers on right are with pet being summoned with Immortal Minion pet foci (donor.)

Atcho Parses (Damage Per Second)

Dark Minion (t7-t9 pet foci) || Immortal Minion (donor pet foci)

WARRIOR
16327 || 16115
16247 || 16614

ROGUE
22486 || 24234
23168 || 24506

BERSERKER
27451 || 27396
27018 || 27706

MONK
18804 || 20801
21390 || 20404


To finish off the parses, I did a final parse in which I threw out what I typically do in a battle, using the Berserker pet and RK 1 toys.
Buffs:Nec Donor 1.0, Elemental Mastery, Aura of the Death Bringer, Death March, Word of the Alchemist, Talisman of Might, Ancestral Focus Rk1, Godly Conversion 2, Strength of the Wildrunner 2, Insight of the Seer

Debuffs: Wrath of the Phantasmist IV, Phantasmist's Secret (Enc 2.0), and Euphoric Spasm Rk 3.

Pet did 55248 dps, Mukk did 16052 damage in dots.

All in all, I highly recommend getting the donor weapon before nabbing a robe Its buff will boost a Rank 3 pet up to pretty near donor robe level DPS (assuming no weapon buff on donor robe pet). The donor pet foci aug does zero change in pet DPS, outside of adding a little bit of HP/AC. But the +20% DoT damage on aug is ok, so it's not totally useless

[Rude]

Another parse, to show how amazing the enchanter donor robe is Group buffs: death march IV, WoA and the other shammy buffs (only godly conversion II), rk2 insight, strength of wildrunner 2, donor aura, aura of the mighty, aura of the death bringer. The Rank 3 necro pet had the donor 1.0 buff (Augmentation of the Dark Lord), as well as elemental mastery from VP click stick (rank 1 toys.) Valik was debuffed with tash/spasm/wrath.

Valik does some pretty powerful melee damage, so the donor enchanter robe just goes nuts. 1 minute duration, 6 minute reuse. The clicky enc pet was doing 1.1 million DPS while it was up. Got two clicks off (Valik was at 30% when the robe refreshed), and the pet (Vision of Valik the First Creation) did 260k dps over the course of the fight due to the 6 minute cooldown. But yeah, 1.1 million dps is pretty intense, especially on short fights

Laseker is Rk3 Necro pet, Lartik is Draekon pet (from SK). Mukk was parked out of line of sight for the whole fight, but he did pop swarm pets once (T8 robe + 2.0 + AA swarm), they were doing 72k dps while they were up. Note: enchanter donor robe is HUGELY effected by pet focus. The pet focus my enchanter has is Dark Minion.

Valik the First Creation in 422s, 149872k @355146 --- Vision of Valik the First Creation 106848k@(257464 in 415s) --- Laseker 31701k@(75659 in 419s) --- Lartik 4917k@(11653 in 422s) --- Rude 3493k@(8276 in 422s) --- Mukk + pets 2913k@(38838 in 75s)