Backstab Augs

[Sian]

2.5 and 2.8 are repeatable but lore.

[Bordamere]

Just to add some rough numbers, the last time I parsed Pelk (Mage, donor bp, donor pet focus aug, donor weapon (utilizing both donor buffs), fully rk2 buffed, elemental fury, donor + deathbringer auras &glad/lion rk3 and rk2 weps) she was at ~180-200k dps, with Druid bp that was up to around 230k iirc possibly slightly higher.

Stealing Khaleesii's quote from the Necro/Mage pet thread here, I hope you don't mind, Khaleesii!. Just want a raw comparison about other's dps chart. Since you feel so opinionated about how broken rogues are, I can help give you some raw data here. I just ran down to the arena a few minutes ago hoping that the dummies are still up and they are, thankfully.

Ran a small test by myself, only self buffs from clickies, I opened using chest on a 5 minute duration, T8 chest clicky, Donor 2.0, with chaos bracer buff, overhaste ring/earring etc. I immediately rolled from chest disc into Drachnid ring disc, into Mastery Disc (Tactics upgrade) back into ring disc and finished with blinding speed. I went full bore, no debuffs, no rk. II or rk. III buffs outside, however

I maxed at 69k dps over the course of 5 minutes playing everything to a T... Rogue's live and die with their burst. I am now going to run down and take enchanter, druid, sham, donor arm buffs to fill the gaps with rk. II buffs to go along with Glad3, lion3 etc.

Edit:
I just ran my entire crew down there and treated the T8 dummy like a live raid mob. Full rk. III buffs. Glad III, Lion III, full rk. III enchanter debuffs, malos, scent of mastery, druid 2.0 clicky while running Slayer rk. III on bard.

Over the course of a 5 minute parse, My rogue topped out at 100,836 dps. If donor mages are doing more than double my rogue's sustained dps, perhaps you should redirect your lynch mob instead of drooling over what a rogue can pull off in 30 second increments.

G'day!

B-

[825th_tomcat]

You have a good point there Bord.

Remember however, when I mention both donor weapon buffs that 1 is short duration and lasts for 4 mins 17 seconds (give or take a few seconds), so in essence a mage is a bit bursty too. The short duration recast timer is 6 minutes.

Note: I forgot to mention that rank3 Euphoric Spasm was on dummies too, that's a big one to miss out. Durp.

[Bordamere]

Sorry, I guess reading that over again, I feel like I threw mages under the bus to prove my point. I'm pretty sure you all understand what I am getting at, however. There's big differences with burst and sustained for all classes. Heck, while running my parses, I managed to out-dps my shadowknight, warrior and bard all with my enchanter... (mind blown).

Rogue donor 2.0 is a 4 min "short duration" along with 2 mins on epic 2.0, donor chest etc, etc. I think the sample and pointing out that rogues are 2 shotting mini's in HoH is kinda blowing up a situation into something bigger. I do agree that the +BS mods need a little help though. There's belts with +BS on them. There's a mask in Nadox. I'm sure there's a ton of pieces with the stat, but we've obviously proven that it only works when on the mainhand weapon. I guess the term normalization comes to mind?

B-

[Rude]

perhaps you should redirect your lynch mob instead of drooling over what a rogue can pull off in 30 second increments.

G'day!

B-

Let me re-iterate, I am NOT NOT NOT asking for a donator nerf

My vision isn't to make rogues more/less powerful; it is to lessen the gargantuan gap that is created by having pitiful non-donor BS damage on a dagger vs the "how can I fit that many digits into the item window" BS damage that comes from left/right eyes

The main point of my post has been the damage gap between the practical non-existence of legitimately obtained backstab augs and the left/right eyes.

Again, again, again, I am not asking for a nerf

I'm not forming a lynch mob, I'm trying to find a solution to an obviously clear problem.

The rogue class is entirely balanced on how much backstab damage you can fit into your dagger. The fact that a couple donator augs that are each quadruple the damage of anything you can obtain normally (making it 8x more if you have both) and fit in slots that no other BS aug can fit into is, by its very definition, a major issue

Perhaps you can find the part where I was gathering the villagers with pitchforks and torches and beating down the doors of donator rogues everywhere? You seem a little defensive... I'm merely pointing out (for the 100th time) that there is a significant lack of augs with BS damage, and that the end game augs don't come anywhere close to donated augs, and there are *zero* augs that fit into the slots those donator augs do, so you can actually use the best dropped augs PLUS the donator augs. Something you yourself agreed with. But I tire of beating this dead horse.

[Grey]

Just to add some rough numbers, the last time I parsed Pelk (Mage, donor bp, donor pet focus aug, donor weapon (utilizing both donor buffs), fully rk2 buffed, elemental fury, donor + deathbringer auras &glad/lion rk3 and rk2 weps) she was at ~180-200k dps, with Druid bp that was up to around 230k iirc possibly slightly higher.

Stealing Khaleesii's quote from the Necro/Mage pet thread here, I hope you don't mind, Khaleesii!. Just want a raw comparison about other's dps chart. Since you feel so opinionated about how broken rogues are, I can help give you some raw data here. I just ran down to the arena a few minutes ago hoping that the dummies are still up and they are, thankfully.

Ran a small test by myself, only self buffs from clickies, I opened using chest on a 5 minute duration, T8 chest clicky, Donor 2.0, with chaos bracer buff, overhaste ring/earring etc. I immediately rolled from chest disc into Drachnid ring disc, into Mastery Disc (Tactics upgrade) back into ring disc and finished with blinding speed. I went full bore, no debuffs, no rk. II or rk. III buffs outside, however

I maxed at 69k dps over the course of 5 minutes playing everything to a T... Rogue's live and die with their burst. I am now going to run down and take enchanter, druid, sham, donor arm buffs to fill the gaps with rk. II buffs to go along with Glad3, lion3 etc.

Edit:
I just ran my entire crew down there and treated the T8 dummy like a live raid mob. Full rk. III buffs. Glad III, Lion III, full rk. III enchanter debuffs, malos, scent of mastery, druid 2.0 clicky while running Slayer rk. III on bard.

Over the course of a 5 minute parse, My rogue topped out at 100,836 dps. If donor mages are doing more than double my rogue's sustained dps, perhaps you should redirect your lynch mob instead of drooling over what a rogue can pull off in 30 second increments.

G'day!

B-

Why I do (or plan to do) dozens of 30s & 1m parses. Keeping parses closer to your true play style = good info.

[Otter620]

I've been following this thread and been wondering why people are posting screen shots of their parses. I personaly would love to see damage that some geared rogues can do.

I parsed my rogue on the T8 parser in the guild hall for 1 minute. I was able to get the dps up to 140k. I didnt think about taking a screen shot till later. I am going to log on and take screen shots of my gear and buffs along with the parse window and post them here in a bit.

[825th_tomcat]

Will do one of my rogue later

[Otter620]

Here are my parses. Keep in mind that Melie only has 288 AA's spent. That and I honostly know extremely little about playing a rogue lol.

[Rude]

Yup. There's no possible way Giovanni can parse that low, even with nothing but self buffs. I took Osad (look up his magelo) onto the test server to get the BP and parsed in the arena. Osad's gear is CRAP, 60 BS damage on primary dagger (sold both the green ornaments). Very few clickies. Started off with donor BP click, then frenzied stab, then spammed death bringer until BP refreshed (3.5 minutes after initial click.) Nothing but the crappy GH Sune buffs + death march (had my SK there.) Parsed in the ~40k+ range each time. I believe you may either be skewing your numbers, or are just not doing the right things. This was without any rk. 1-3 buffs, without enchanter/druid debuffs. Just an SK and a dusty rogue. I'm not good at math, but I can assure you if I had over 300 BS damage on my dagger, I'd be over 200k sustained every single time.

My good-will on this subject has evaporated.