Non-donor vs donor damage

[Banai]

Hello! I am curious on how the damage difference looks in the end-game, mainly on VT geared chars.. Does anyone have parses available to share? Even if its just on fairys in GH or so. I know that currently I run 16-18 chars without donor and it feels like even 1 donor pet does more damage than all my guys together (this is just a feeling, since I dont have any parses on donor pets available). Enlighten me please

[Belvino]

Just some rough numbers. My mage pet before donor rk2 would do about 10k with donor pet and weapon they do anywhere from 100k to 170k depending on buffs.

My non donor rog does about 16k to 20k and i know some donor rog sit anywhere form 200k to 300k (Fully donored)

Granted i'm still working on the alot of the rares from vt but they won't make that huge of a difference.

These aren't exact parse but give you a idea from donor vs non donor.

[Vaion]

Great topic to start! If you guys have specific ideas or suggestions for VT items/worn2 or class abilities, let us know. We are always up for hearing out the community and most requests

[Banai]

Holy crap is the difference that big? Damn I made the topic because I have gotten to the point where it really feels like my DPS output is whats preventing me from really progressing. Is content tuned for donor geared people (I am speaking of HoH/Nadox now, have never seen VT so dont know how it is in there)? Granted my chars are not fully geared or played to the max of their ability, but even fights in DSK2 are very close dmg wise for me. I dont really have anything right now on what could be changed on itemization (or added), will start overseeing my chars though. Tanking and healing is never an issue, its always damage - from my experience the hp on bosses seems to be out of line compared to the damage they deal.

[Lillu]

No, it's not. Some content is tuned toward DPS but it's not like you can only gain DPS by upgrading items. You can join your fellow players and make new alliances. If you plan to solo, you'll reach your limits at some point either way. While we try to balance the higher tiers difficulty not to make it impossibly hard, the end content here on THF is not meant to beat by solo play.

[Banai]

Thanks alot for the replies so far =) Ofcourse content is alot more fun and easier to handle with more players, my idea was to get a grasp on how many toons the stuff is tuned for and to see how big the gap is between a donor / non donor character. I dont think anyone would prefer to do all content on their own (even if it was possible), but sometimes you have no choice

[cbarrett]

There are so many things that you have to maximize on every one of your toons in your bot army before can start wondering if your progression can only continue with donor gear:

- do you have the best weapon available on every toon?
- do you have all the best spells available to you for that tier for every character?
- do you have the best armor available on every toon?
- is every augment slot on every piece of gear filled with the best you can get for every character?
- does each one of your groups have all of the solo or raid auras running?
- do you have a WoS pet for all of your melee toons?

I run with 6 if I can get away with it (I enjoy it more), but 12 is what I find I need in T7. I do have a 3rd group flagged for T7 that I could log on with but I dont want to. I find that I play favorites with my toons, especially when it comes to augments. Some of my bot army have zero augments, some are mostly complete, I cant realistically expect to progress past Xeru until every one of my toons are geared out the best I can possibly gear them to face the current tier boss. Then you get to start all over when you reach the next tier

[Dred]

All my toons are VT flagged with a good amount of VT/DSK3/Chaos armor except Rogue who is mostly donor. I did not cast any spells with my casters nor melee with Beastlord or Bard. I normally use the T6 dummy over the T8 one because the T8 one seems to have more AC than most T8 or T9 mobs. But anyway 1 minute parses on Guild Hall T6 dummy:

Melaina - Beastlord: Donor pet, donor pet aug(70%), donor weapon 1.0 click, all raid auras except donor, donor Sune arms buffs, Growl of the Lion, Spirit Of Irionu, Touch Of the Beast Rk. III, Rk III pet toys, Mage and Necro donor pet buffs

DPS - Round 1: 56,968, Round 2: 62,361, Round 3: 59, 541

Hocuspocus - Mage: Donor pet, donor weapon 1.0, HoH pet focus(58%), sune donor buffs, VP pet staff click, all raid auras, Necro and Beastlord donor pet buffs, Rk. III pet toys

DPS - Round 1: 50,115, Round 2: 49,689, Round 3: 52, 644

Kryptt - Necro: Same buffs/weapons as Mage basically

DPS - Round 1: 53,435, Round 2: 57, 398, Round 3: 57,079

Cadaveria - Rogue: A good used car. BP, Legs, Ear, Face, Finger, Boots, Charm, Range, Arms, 2X weapons, 2X donor augs, T8/T9 weapon augs, 5% damage from VT ring, VT Rogue shoulders, VT neck

DPS - Round 1: 295,698, Round 2: 302,795, Round 3: 326,595
DPS with Form of War active: 378,010

Same toons adding Bard donor 2.0 click, HoH BP click, Slayers Destiny Rk. III, War March Of Chaos

Rogue: 497,894
Beastlord pet: 79,914
Mage pet: 75,335
Necro pet: 77,259

Numbers would surely vary doing 3 minutes parses instead of 1 minute ones and numbers would of course be lower on T8 dummy and higher on T3 dummy. No matter the equipment you will need to join up with others at some point or be very good at making macros to handle every situation.

[PKinternet]

18 toons, all Vex Thal gear.

This is on the T6 Dummy for 1 min:

# Class Name Total DPS
1 Rogue Aegos 402075 (BP, Legs, WeapX2, AugX2)
2 Magician Sconni 137891 (BP, Legs, WeapX2, Aug, others)
3 Necro Necroson 112195 (BP, Legs, WeapX2, Aug, others)
4 Beastlord Treguf 88900 (BP, Legs, WeapX2, Aug, others)
5 Magician Tradition 83161 (BP, Legs, Weap, Aug)
6 Wizard Betti 55749 (Weapon, Legs)
7 Bard Metallika 46711 (BP, Legs, WeapX2, Aug)
8 Berserker Yaeger 45023 (BP, Legs, WeapX2, Aug, others)
9 Wizard Bessy 43373 (Weapon, Legs)
10 Bard Nalani 20478
11 Bard Adereen 18737 (Weapon)
12 Warrior Galdace 17135 (Yes)
13 Paladin Mott 12127 (Yes)
14 Enchanter Keli 10494
15 Shaman Stepeeth (BP, WeapX2)
16 Druid Kaera 333 (BP, WeapX2)
17 Cleric Wisco (WeapX2)
18 Cleric Demetri (Weapon)

[Banai]

Does anyone have a mage/rogue/ber/nec in T8/T9 gear without donator items and can provide some parses from them? I believe my rogue puts out around 15-20k with disc and gladi/mooncurse, in HoH evolving gear that is. Will parse after work today and post with debuffs and without.

Edit: The difference between a rogue with donator gear and others is disgustingly big.. 4 times the damage? Or am I reading it wrong?