Monk dps

[shannix]

Hi everyone,

My main character is a monk, i didn t play since early 2015.
I played a bit the last 2 weeks.
I also have a high end rogue and zerker.

Monk is about 25% of a rogue and 50% of a zerker (from my playing experience).

I still love monk but i feel useless, bard are better puller/assist, we could be off tank but aren t allowed to use agro tools, and we are no longer a dps class, we could try to heal with our high end bandaging ability...but

Monk should be again a dps class!
My suggestion would be to add a triple or quadruple flying kick on epic and/or donor weapon
It will give monk the small burn they need to be a valuable dps

No drama please just some ideas to balance the melee dps classes.

Usinea
Catlynne
Basheek
Bekrells
Meibel

[mrhorrn]

They did some monk balancing fairly recently, but i can't remember if it was an AA.

There was something called Death Kick? I could be wrong on that name, but i think it just triggers as part of melee. I'm pretty sure it's not AA and it's just there since like level 60 and the damage scales up with your level. I think at 70 it could be like 32000 damage per trigger, but i could be wrong on that number too as i barely use my monk and this is all from a fuzzy memory.

*edit* found the post for the balancing:
viewtopic.php?f=35&t=13404

*edit 2* how is this from 2016!? That's not "fairly recently" at all! But it has been since you last played in 2015.

[shannix]

rogue to quad stab for 3.2 million
zerker do quad frenzy for 1M
monk do single flying kick for 150k

[peterigz]

We'll take a look at this and look to implement some new AAs for monks for the Christmas update. They'll be tier based AAs which we've been looking to add so this will be a good opportunity to test that functionality.

[shannix]

i did the test on cazic gh dummy with shaman buffs without bard.shaman druid bp

catlynne max single bs 1.7m weapon is 215/20 5% additionnal melee damage
max quad 4,5m

Usinea max flying 87k weapon is 205/20 boots ac is 700, 15% additionnal melee damage
max quad 300k

Usinea

[peterigz]

Calling all monks to log on to the test server and give the new Monk AAs a go and see how DPS is. Tier based AAs are something we've had in mind for a while so monk is a nice opportunity to try them out before doing other classes. The new AAs are under the Class tab and you will need the appropriate tier to purchase each rank:

Zen Pacification
Kick of the Zen Master
Strike of the Zen Master
Perfected Feign Death

Kick and Strike increase the damage you do with kicks and strikes as you'd expect. Please let us know DPS numbers and we'll tweak up/down accordinly within reason.

In order to log onto the test server you need to use the following host in your eqhosts.txt file in the eq folder:
Host=thfvirtual.dyndns.org:5999

You can leave the live server host in there, just put a # infront so it gets ignored like so:
#Host=login.thehiddenforest.org:5999

Please run the Patcher to make sure you get the latest spell descriptions or you won't see them properly in the AA window.

[shannix]

Hi,

I loged on the test server but i don t have any saved aa and missing 2k aas on test so i cannot test it and i won t do 2000 aas on test:)

But honestly i don't think it will work and be balenced.
Either u improve damage of flying by 500% or u will not fix anything if u keep the single flying.( monk is less then half zerker and 25% of rogue dps)

As exemple you added a 23k damage on monk before and i need 200 times the 23k to match a good quad bs...or 50 times a good zerker frenzy.

Monk damage issu is pretty easy to understand we have the lowest special attack damage from the melee dps and we are the Only class to have it single, others get double triple quadruple sometimes on aa sometimes on donor burn.
Your update fix maybe the base flying damage but not fixing triple quadruple...

I don't know what are the pourcentage on rogue triple bs aa but it s often

Easiest way would be to fix the donor bp and add like the zerker one 2 flying and maybe rogue aa for triple

If you want to do it with aas for also non donor, here is an exemple

Exemple
Flying kick of the zen master

Tier 1: 5% chance double flying 2,5% quadruple cost 1 aa
Tier 2: 10% chance double flying 5% quadruple 2 aas
Tier 3: 15% chance double flying 7.5%quadruple 4 aas
Tier 4: 20% chance double flying 10% quadruple 8 aas
Tier 5: 25% chance double flying 12,5% quadruple 16 aas
Tier 6: 30% chance double flying 15% quadruple 32 aas
Tier 7: 35% chance double flying 17,5% quadruple 64 aas
Tier 8: 40% chance double flying 20% quadruple 128 aas
Tier 9: 45% chance double flying 22,5% quadruple 256 aas
Tier 10: 50% chance double flying 25% quadruple 512 aas

Even at rank 10 my flying kick will do less then a decent rogue single bs, unless you improved base damage by 200% or 300%

Not sure it will help you i wish i could test it.

Usinea

[peterigz]

Thanks for logging onto to test. I've just made a fresh copy of live onto test and set AAs to 2k on all characters that were less than 2k.

Bear in mind that Monks get flying kick and tiger claw on separate timers and Technique of master wu gives each of those skills a chance to hit 2 to 3 times extra, so if you kick and strike you can do up to 8 hits at once and most of the time its 2 extra hits. The way master wu works is it puts 5 skills into a pool: flying kick, round house, eagle strike, dragon punch and tiger claw and then picks a random skill from that pool to do an extra strike with - up to 3 times if you have maxed out master wu. So I made the 2 AAs to increase both kicks and strikes to make the most of master wu, you'll definitely notice the difference.

[shannix]

Ok i did the test with self buff only i did a 385 cripling blow witch is a nice upgrade

But flying, eagle, round, and dragon are on the same timer, most monks on this server are using flying the highest damage so strike of the zen master is 100% useless, i think that adding something close to rogue triple bs aa instead of strike of the zen master would be better

definitly it s a nice upgrade

Usinea

ps: tier 10 is bugged

[peterigz]

Tiger Claw and Flying Kick are on separate timers, and both will gain extra hits from Master Wu AA, so you can get a maximum of 8 hits in a round from using both and if you get lucky 7 of those could be flying kicks. As mentioned in my previous post, those extra hits will be randomly picked from a pool, so the tiger claw will also give chances for extra flying kicks too as well as strikes, hence the reason I added the strike aa too, it does make a big difference.

Can still tweak the numbers but I want to be careful not to go overboard.