Any plans for solo content post 70?

[Lillu]

even better!

[Insedeel]

Separating portions of the community (outside of the alt-p) I don't think would be a very positive thing imho. There's gotta be a way to do this without causing further separation from group/raiders being able to group with each other in the same zones without another time sync added to one side or the other (this time it would be on the raider's side to keep up with their 71+ grouper friends).

This idea is good and all, except for the fact it more or less separates raiders from their grouper friends (and often times raiders don't have the extra time to commit to progress in yet another form of content since raid content is technically the most "difficult" content) which would pretty much eviscerate raider friends to be able to group with or help out their friends who aren't raiders do to not having time outside of their normal raid schedules to also keep up with their grouper friends in the 71+ content. One of the things raiders like to do a lot is help other people out with their solo/group content because it gives them a way to help their friends progress (talking from my own experience being a raider in the past on live, and other mmos).

I think the current way of just releasing new zones every once in a while with just better gear would still be the way to go because it doesn't separate the community further and will still allow raiders and groupers to be able to group with each other without any extra time-sink for the raider.

[Killeverything]

I think this is a great idea. for one it will allow ppl like myself to see more of the game

I have a war with 700+ aa's and I have killed everything up to Tov that I can. yet I do not have the time to join a raiding guild. I have 7 alts with a few being 70 and 200-400 aa's and I would love a chance to see all the great work that the Drv. have put into this server. it sounds like this will give me the chance to enjoy the server to the up most

Look at Dreadspire it look soooooooooo cool and I would love to go there but I do not see me ever having the time to join a raiding guild and getting the kills needed to be able to zone in

[Bomb]

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Adding solo content doesn't separate anyone at all. There are tons of people that can't dedicate the time to raid with a group of people, or their play time is so sporatic that they are here one minute and have to afk the next.

Solo content gives those players something to do and allows them to not be left out as they already are when it comes to raid content that requires several people or a lot of boxing that they may not be capable of doing.

It also allows group/raiding players something to do to kill time if they so choose when nobody is on to raid/group. I don't see how this would remotely seperate anyone, at all? Its suggested solo content that will likely be doable with a bot/player, they probably ideally wouldn't need you to be running them through it as you suggested in regards to helping.

Though it obviously seems like it would have to be an addition to chaoslayers alternate progression stuff.

[Insedeel]

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Then if this is made purely as "solo" content why is alt-p even here? I thought alt-p entire purpose was this.

There are different ways of flagging people than adding new levels. Just flag the zones via the same type of quests as the level increases would, and you accomplish the same thing effectively then.

You're not understanding what I'm saying about separating people even further. Currently groupers can't raid if they can't commit to raid schedules. But sometimes raiders have some limited free time to be able to do things other than raiding (like grouping with their grouper friends), but if they're required to progress through another form of progression just to be able to group with their friends, now you have it separated on both sides, instead of only one.

[rosleck]

And please correct me if I am wrong but, if you do the ALT P that caps out in the lower 50's? You cannot leave and return to ALT P so wouldent that leave out joining you raider friends?

It would be great to have a way to play catch up as a mostly solo player other than running 1k Ldons.

Stuff

Then if this is made purely as "solo" content why is alt-p even here? I thought alt-p entire purpose was this.

There are different ways of flagging people than adding new levels. Just flag the zones via the same type of quests as the level increases would, and you accomplish the same thing effectively then.

You're not understanding what I'm saying about separating people even further. Currently groupers can't raid if they can't commit to raid schedules. But sometimes raiders have some limited free time to be able to do things other than raiding (like grouping with their grouper friends), but if they're required to progress through another form of progression just to be able to group with their friends, now you have it separated on both sides, instead of only one.

[jsre]

Inseedel IMO you're not really thinking this through. I'm sure if a raider is free and their friend has fun doing conent with them then they can team up to do things regardless of whether there is 'solo' content available that the raider can't access. If said friend chooses not to then maybe they prefer exploring content in their own way to being run through raid content by a big brother.

Also the soloer can easily be running the raider through solo content in the same way the raider runs the soloer through raid content, so I don't think there is merit in the argument you've put forward. If you're both free, cool - you can pick between two types of content. The idea of one party having to sit around waiting for the other party to be free is not desirable to the party sitting around.

[Insedeel]

Except for the fact that the raider already went through the efforts to flag and complete the most "difficult" content on the server, why would he/she want to go through even more content when this new content could just as easily be made without requiring higher levels.

Also, this still doesn't answer my question of, what's the point of alt-p then if they're just going to add another form of alt-p type content again? If they were switching alt-p to this that would be one thing, but why create 2 of essentially the same thing? Why not just stick with the typical flagging that's already in play on servers without having to worry about increasing level caps? Just sounds like a lot more work to do effectively the same thing as character "flagging".

[Bomb]

To me it seems like its an addition to Alt-P, which I am not sure why that would be even remotely an issue? People seem to enjoy the alt-p, and this would allow them to continue it post-70 as well.

In regards to if your raider friend wants to help, then the person who is doing the solo content can back down to L70 and attend some group/raid content with their raider friend, this really doesn't seem to be an issue at all.

There is no harm in giving someone the ability to actually DO something when given the chance to do something. You are suggesting that because you are a raider and you have some free time you shouldn't be required to mess with solo content (which you shouldn't have to because its been deemed solo content) to assist your friend where as its irrelevant as your friend can drop down to L70 and join you in raid / group content as freely as he/she wants.

Now the alternative is your friend has some free time, but hey you don't. Now what is your friend going to do? Sit around in the hidden vale because there is no content tuned towards him (yes there is ldons but its not everyone's cup of tea)? Because you think that he shouldn't have content so that you are not inconvenienced when you have free time? What about his free time? What about his desires to do things when you are already doing your raid content?

All in all there isn't a single down side to solo content post 70, and the way that was introduced actually seems like a fantastic idea. The only down side I personally see to it is that it devotes devs times away from raid content, and personally I do the raid content and love it and want to see more of it, but I am also aware I am not the only type of player on this server.

Adding something like this is a positive for the server and its health. It attracts different types of players who have different play styles. These people may join for the solo content and stay for the raid content when they gain more time. I know when I initially joined this server almost a year ago now, it was because I was able to login create a character and make a bot. I then proceeded to be able to effectively solo my way through the content at my leisure. I am sure this is what a LOT of people end up doing when they find the server and get hooked on it. Why not keep the ability to do this post-70 to keep them hooked? Not everyone is looking for raids, and that does change the dynamic of the server once someone gets 70.

I'm not sure what the issue is really? The only person that should complain is ChaosSlayer because someone just gave him an idea for more work to be done! =P

[rosleck]

Very well said.