A question for boxers...

[Brontu]

Air is doable without donators, single group

all content is doable without donors, u just have to be a bit more conscious of farming gear for the tanks.

[jsre]

Single group maybe, doubt it boxed.

If someone wants to prove it I'm happy to spectate I don't see how you can get enough pre-fear gear to reliably tank avatars. At least not since melee discs were no longer affected by duration focus.

[bishbash]

The avatars are rough. They are harder than the xegony fight I found when I was first trying them. I boxed them when my main was around 6.7kac (donor), but my 2nd war (non donor) was only around 5.5k and could tank them. It just took a lotta heals, with me basically bashing both my clerics keyboards on the heal and hoping I didnt get smashed. I still hate these mobs at 8.2k ac. Xegony is a breeze compared to them.

Gotta remember that these zones are raid zones, and not 1 group zones. They can be boxed with a handful of chars but are meant to be raided. with more than 1 group for the gear/level available. It also seemed to me that 2 of the avatars are a lot harder than the others, but aint been back to them since i flagged all my toons as I hated them that much.

Farcical Afk - Just Phara Dar and Cazic Thule left to box in T6!

[jsre]

I tried one of them several times, I'm happy to bang my head against the wall (if you ever read the post about a single group royals takedown pre velious, /wave). But I had what I'd consider a perfect run with heals, a 4 heal cycle with a heal landing close to every second, and once def wore off I copped a one round of 4 max hits which was more than enough to kill the warrior.

Appreciate they're raid mobs, but I call 12 chars a raid on THF. In a controlled environment I think I can box them at about 80-90% efficiency of a full group, the exception being keeping melee dps clickies up 100% of the time.

I guess my point here is that for a non-donator boxed team, Air is probably the pointy end. My war does have donator, and shaman too of course, along with a few others as I have a rule of donating at least $15 a month to the server. However I've avoided donating onthe tank except for 1 weapon as I wanted to experience the content relatively as is.

This isn't a gripe, I've had a lot of fun boxing my way up and highly recommend it to any aspiring boxers out there. There is a lot of content to get through pre-air, and if you don't rush it you can have months of fun gearing up your toons. The progression works really well in the first 5 tiers if you spend the time to gear all of your chars.

I have kinda stopped playing for the forseeable future, but that's more because the creative design started to move towards more team content (DS etc). Also been back to working on my own project involving a heavily modified ruleset, so it's certainly not a bad thing Still I'm happy to come and watch someone demonstrate an avatar takedown with a fire armoured, air aug'd tank and 5 others to help (plus HH air ear and LDON gear also, but not things like casino items or haunted). I've seen numerous people claim it's possible but everyone making the claim has a ton of donator gear.

[bishbash]

Get the defensive clicky ring from sleepers. Then get the quest ring once u can kill xeg. With them all I can stay defensive for 20 mins or so.

[jsre]

Have the sleepers one. Pre focus changes I could use natural disc, disc clicky, donator clicky and liberal DI2, then natural disc again, but post focus changes it's not quite the same.

I could probably add another 200-400ac if I capped out on LDON augs and solo aura quests, also missing 20ac from Air augs which I haven't gotten. Not sure how much that would help though considering being one rounded left me at minus 6khp. Upper tiers definitely move more towards genuine group content (where tank switches are relatively simple), and I respect the dev's decision to take content in that direction.

[aabamzen]

You know, you can get VP access without having killed Xegony. There are some nice AC upgrades from augments, and I was actually able to kill a couple dragons in VP before I was able to do avatars. I'm sure if you do a little recon work, you can figure out which ones those are, although I believe one has been 'fixed' .

[Brontu]

You know, you can get VP access without having killed Xegony. There are some nice AC upgrades from augments, and I was actually able to kill a couple dragons in VP before I was able to do avatars. I'm sure if you do a little recon work, you can figure out which ones those are, although I believe one has been 'fixed' .

Aye dont even need to touch the avatars. The qvatars have always been the bane of mid tier Progression. I still hate them at 11.5k ac (though im pretty confident im over the soft cap). Your right in that most content Seems to have been balanced for 12 but it is dicey solO boxing that tier. Id reccomend lookin into some of the big ldon upgrades for the tank. Fire ele armor is very dissapointing and i found i was better off with ldon gear at that tier.
And any content can be done with no-donors with a solid group/raid behind ya. It gets tougher though the less real players you have for sure.
Even with the foci changes to u should still be getting ~5min on disc and another 5 on ring. Remember cry of warning is also a mitigation disc that comes in very handy too in between defensives or after your out of discs

(sorry for spelling errors on phone at work)

[bishbash]

I also find furious and kael gloves useful, about 30 secs of riposite there using them. Use them a lot when waiting for defensive to recycle.

The avatars are really nasty though no matter what you do.

[Gytask]

I also find furious and kael gloves useful, about 30 secs of riposite there using them. Use them a lot when waiting for defensive to recycle.

The avatars are really nasty though no matter what you do.

hehe, tried avatar of the wind a couple of days ago with my war tanking. he's about 9k ac fully buffed and still, almost got 1 rounded. maybe i was unlucky but these avatars' dps ain't no joke. besides, the armor break proc makes things even worse.