Ranger archery dps?

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Blique
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Ranger archery dps?

Post#1 » Wed Oct 26, 2011 6:42 am

I'm seeing aproximately a negative 7k dps difference at full burn, compared to what I was parsing on my ranger pre-upgraded and augged donor.


Has something gone wrong...bugged...broken... or is this intended?
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Re: Ranger archery dps nerf ?

Post#2 » Wed Oct 26, 2011 12:20 pm

Just checked against Xygoz In VP from last night vs 8th August parse. Can't guarantee the same buffs etc, but pretty much identical to my normal box setup - and from what I can see nothing much changed, apart from my warrior doing better damage with the extra aug slots on the donor:

tearful = Donor ranger
farcical = Dual weilding Donor warrior

25th Oct 2011 - Tearful/Farcical vs Xygoz

Tearful -vs- Xygoz: -- DMG: 313468 -- DPS: 2036 -- Scaled: 1244 -- Hit: 264305 -- Strike: 49163 -- Non-crit rate: 50% -- crit rate: 50% -- Attempts: 205 -- Hits: 200 -- Missed: 5 -- Accuracy: 97.6% -- Avg Hit: 1567 -- Max hit: 5180 -- DMG to PC: 0

Farcical -vs- Xygoz: -- DMG: 723860 -- DPS: 2872 -- Scaled: 2872 -- Slash: 537535 -- Hit: 155663 -- DoT: 30662 -- Non-crit rate: 40.5% -- crit rate: 59.5% -- Attempts: 1405 -- Hits: 1153 -- Missed: 151 -- Defended: 101 -- Accuracy: 88.4% -- Avg Hit: 627 -- Max hit: 2250 -- DMG to PC: 169661

8th August 2011 - Tearful/farcical vs Xygoz

Tearful -vs- Xygoz: -- DMG: 427310 -- DPS: 1978 -- Scaled: 1874 -- Hit: 369551 -- Strike: 57759 -- Non-crit rate: 52.4% -- crit rate: 47.6% -- Attempts: 306 -- Hits: 292 -- Missed: 14 -- Accuracy: 95.4% -- Avg Hit: 1463 -- Max hit: 5036 -- DMG to PC: 0

Farcical -vs- Xygoz: -- DMG: 469970 -- DPS: 2061 -- Scaled: 2061 -- Slash: 263936 -- Hit: 184056 -- DoT: 21978 -- Non-crit rate: 52% -- crit rate: 48% -- Attempts: 1189 -- Hits: 820 -- Missed: 301 -- Defended: 68 -- Accuracy: 73.1% -- Avg Hit: 573 -- Max hit: 1534 -- DMG to PC: 317540

The warrior has had extra augs in the new added slots, the ranger hasnt had anything good added to the new slots yet. The ranger is showing almost identical parses, the warrior is showing increased DPS from the extra dmg augs.

From my perspective, apart from the server being MUCH more stable, the parses are identical.

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Re: Ranger archery dps?

Post#3 » Wed Oct 26, 2011 12:30 pm

Thanks bishbash. Indeed nothing was changed with ranger archery dps.

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Zaria
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Re: Ranger archery dps?

Post#4 » Wed Oct 26, 2011 1:18 pm

Thank god or Zaria would have to pull out a quiver of woop-arrows and aim at Lillu. =D
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Re: Ranger archery dps?

Post#5 » Wed Oct 26, 2011 1:57 pm

I'm asking this, because I have noticed a pretty big difference in game. And its not just me. Two other rangers in the guild concur with this, as does our overall raid dps against certain DS encounters.

After I made the observation about our raid dps, I parsed against the same target as I parsed last time - Vlad. While this may not be a target indicative of DPS on a high level raid rarget, its a useful yardstick to see if your individual/class dps went up or down.


Vlad on 9/19/2011 in 184sec

Total
--- DMG: 3116199 (100%) @ 16936 dps (16936 sdps)

Byshop
--- DMG: 3116199 (100%) @ 16936 dps (16936 sdps)
------ Total: 3116199 -- Hit: 3094326 -- DoT: 21873
------ Normal rate: 53.7% (13% of DMG) -- Critical rate: 46.3% (87% of DMG)
------ Attempts: 378 -- Hits: 378 -- Misses: 0 -- Defended: 0 -- Accuracy: 100%

Max hit 25232

versus tonights parse (and the above wasn't the highest, it was just the highest i had saved - I had one as high as 19k at a full burn - trueshot/epic/hawks talon rk. 1)


Vlad on 10/26/2011 in 185sec

Total
--- DMG: 2329447 (100%) @ 12592 dps (12592 sdps)

Byshop
--- DMG: 2329447 (100%) @ 12592 dps (12592 sdps)
------ Total: 2329447 -- Hit: 2329447
------ Normal rate: 45.2% (11.4% of DMG) -- Critical rate: 54.8% (88.6% of DMG)
------ Attempts: 330 -- Hits: 330 -- Misses: 0 -- Defended: 0 -- Accuracy: 100%

Max hit 18580

Both parses were self/sune buffs, quested overhaste clicky, fleeting quiver, and t8 chanter haste. Verified 100% that the newest parse was to cap.

Something appears to have changed.

Max damage crits went from 25232 down to 18580.

My gear really hasn't changed on that toon, other than two additional damage aug slots (which both have damage augs in them and in use on the second parse, but not in the first) I haven't changed filtering options, either.

It was noticeable in overall raid dps, and its noticeable on vlad.

I'm not trying to be a pain in anyones rear here, but when I see my max hit go down by close to 7k, and see my overall DPS go down by this much, particularly after adding two new damage augs to the bow, I have to ask - What has changed?

I see a difference of 48 attempts betwen those two parses, that in itself is a difference, which I am hardpressed to explain, being its the same bow and arrow. Is it possible the fleeting quiver is somehow now not functional?

And that still doesn't explain the lower max hit. The other guild rangers are seeing the same thing - a lower max hit.

Something isn't as it was...that or I'm missing something here.
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Re: Ranger archery dps?

Post#6 » Wed Oct 26, 2011 3:03 pm

Nothing was changed in archery. There was a day or two (cant really remember) where players were hitting for quite a bit higher than normal due to an AC calculation that was incorrect.

I assure you, nothing in archery dmg was changed.
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Re: Ranger archery dps?

Post#7 » Wed Oct 26, 2011 3:57 pm

I tend to ignore max hit, as its very wild. What was your average hit for?

Also I notice that on both parses, while they ran for 3 minutes, the 1st parse had 378 attempts, while the latest parse had 330 attempts in the same time. Thats a hella difference for the same time frame, you sure your not missing some shaman buffs?

I'm not knocking your results, my parses are wildly different attempts, as each time it depends on how many wizs I can click a nuke on before scrambling back to my war to keep agro. But even with 1/3 less shots on the latest parse I was allmost identical DPS.

If I get chance later I will run parses on multiple previous xygoz runs and will do a few more new runs. I like to use this mob to parse results with as:

1) Its a T6 mob
2) It has no adds so its a simple point & shoot
3) Its a rooted mob so it shows the 'lowest' value of the DPS for a ranged attack
4) It begins with an X :)
5) Its instanced - so its mine all mine!

I run 2 Donor rangers, and I can honestly say I havent noticed anything negative about my DPS. I do however feel bad for all the ranger jokes I used to make. They make very good box ranged DPS toons.

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Post#8 » Wed Oct 26, 2011 5:25 pm

I accept what you and Lillu say, that archery damage was not tinkered with.

But, archery damage output has changed. I can't get a 20k plus bowshot without trueshot/ring for the wild disc, AND animal power all running, and I could before. Not just for a day or two. After getting the donor bow, the first thing I did was farm augs for it, and test it on vlad to see what it could do - and that was back in may before the additional 14 damage through damage augs in the two new aug slots, the 5 more damage on the bow,, and the additional damage on the arrow. 20k+ bowshots have been a given when buffed and disc'd since then, and, for whatever reason, aren't, now.


Is it possible something got broken? Was something causing those bowshots that high that shouldn't have been the case, since may?


Also, I'm hardpressed to figure out how my earlier parse had 48 more bowshots in the same span of time, on the same toon with the same bow and the same buffs. I tested the fleeting quiver, and it still appears to function. I even went as far as grouping with my bard box, and using the "rabid wolf" AA to try to duplicate the number of bowshots, and I couldn't.

Like I say, I take lillu and you at your word, that archery damage wasn't adjusted. But clearly something has changed...that or I'm really really missing something - which wouldn't be the first time. Either way, figuring this out would make me feel a bit better.

Also, before I forget:

"Legendary bow of the Fairy Warrior got +5 dmg, Weapon Mastery focus, +50 arch damage."

portal.php?np=10#n

It looks as if the 50 archery damage didnt get added. Any possibility you could do that when you get a chance pretty please sir?

Thank you both for hearing me out.



Farc whats up man, long time no see!

Just for shits and giggles, I double checked that I had t8 chanter haste on the toon, double checked that I had the 8% overhaste clickie, and even grouped with my bard. I just can not get that attempt number to repeat. I gained a few...like 4 or 5 attempts - using rabid wolf and the bard, but I can't get anywhere close to that number.

I have no answer as far as the attempts. Really no clue what so ever. It leads me to believe something either is now incorrect, or was at the time I made that parse. As far as shaman buffs, what am I missing that I'd get from a shaman that I wouldn't from chanter and bard buffs, that I could attribute that many attacks to?

As far as the High hit, yes its its very wild, but also, the number is consistant. High hit is high hit. Whatever your max is, with a given set of buffs, is the number youll get when you get a max hit. That number has changed, significantly, from what it was and has been since the end of may, when I parse against vlad.

If its an AC calculation change I can accept that, as long as that incorrectness it changed was in effect when I got the bow in may. it sounds as if the incorrect AC calculation that was corrected was fairly recent, so that doesn't cover 20+ k bowshots I was making in may and june lol.

It..."feels" as if something is quite different in game, which is what led me to run a parse to begin with. I just want to know and understand, one way or the other, whether I'm missing something, or whether something really IS not right.

What I'm seeing currently, is less damage than I did in the past. Both in terms of high hit, and overall DPS, in spite of an increased 14 damage through augs, 5 damage added to the weapon, and 2 damage and 7 magic damage also added to the arrow. Those changes *should* equate to the highest damage I have ever seen out of that toon, both in high hit, and overall dps. against...most targets, but particularly against vlad who has 0 ac.

In a nutshell, I'm parsing lower DPS and geting a lower "high hit" using an improved bow against the same ZERO AC target, than I did day one with the 3 aug slot donor bow fully augged. And without understanding how or why this is the case, or why it only appears to be the case, its eating at me a bit.
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Re: Ranger archery dps?

Post#9 » Wed Oct 26, 2011 5:40 pm

I blame the gnomes.

I will run more parses when I get more data to make sure, I will also run parses for different mobs and zones. I boxed phara dar last night again so I can check trueshot parses on a mob that isnt rooted.

i need to clear dsk t1 for my 2 new toons so I will parse all the mobs from there once I have the data. Might take me a few days to grab enoigh data to parse, its slow work boxing t7 content.

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Re: Ranger archery dps?

Post#10 » Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:43 pm

bishbash wrote:I run 2 Donor rangers, and I can honestly say I havent noticed anything negative about my DPS. I do however feel bad for all the ranger jokes I used to make. They make very good box ranged DPS toons.


Why I have 3.
Love everyone but parses that dont include how long the combat lasted are worthless.
Parse one to parse two on a actual Tiered NPC might vary in length due to how you engage but the variance in your parse just at a glance is rather large and Id like to know how long each fight lasted you.
Speaking with Blique over vent while at work and discussing this topic and I think its important to have some good parses and to actually investigate this topic and not just knee-jerk discount it out of hand

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