Pets in general, usefelness in T8

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Re: Pets in general, usefelness in T8

Post#11 » Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:51 pm

Myrixo wrote:Necro > Mage


Only need to quote one line of that junk.
Necro pet ISNOT > Mage Pet

I have 4 hours of parses to back it up. Several of us have been discussing the pets with Vaion. I box both a mage and a necro and have t8 Rk2 pets.
Sorry to bump an old post, nerva posted so I figured I would read it again and saw the unfounded piece for quote and rebuttal.

Want to prove me otherwise go get both and parse and post here. Only accept parses using 'Gamparse' and uncheck the box Combine pets with their owner which is on the last tab.
On the overview tab there is a line "Show the pets for owner:" and two clickable cells to the right. Think by default the second one should say Split pets. Regardless of that it needs to say Merge pets.
Now you can provide your pet parse, which I know will not show a necro pet beating a mage pet, either in damage or utility.

Good day ;)

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Re: Pets in general, usefelness in T8

Post#12 » Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:59 pm

Blique figured out that the revised necro donor 1.0 only works if the pet is using 1hb wpns (currently as I am sure it will be changed) in which case the pet parses around 20-22k dps. It has been shown that donor buffed mage air pet can acheive roughly 29-32k dps. T8 pet weapons on both pets. That is just considering the pets, owner dps aside.

Without donor buffs the mage edges out the necro pet by about 3-4k dps if I remember correctly.

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Re: Pets in general, usefelness in T8

Post#13 » Fri Apr 06, 2012 3:35 am

The revised donor 1.0 will be fixed with the next reboot :)
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Re: Pets in general, usefelness in T8

Post#14 » Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:20 am

sr0415 wrote:Blique figured out that the revised necro donor 1.0 only works if the pet is using 1hb wpns (currently as I am sure it will be changed) in which case the pet parses around 20-22k dps. It has been shown that donor buffed mage air pet can acheive roughly 29-32k dps. T8 pet weapons on both pets. That is just considering the pets, owner dps aside.

Without donor buffs the mage edges out the necro pet by about 3-4k dps if I remember correctly.


Credit to Vaion for figuring out the 1HB thing, I only passed it along.

Regarding the Necro > Mage thing from page 1 of this thread...

Not to insult or offend, but thats absolutely false.

Mage pets beat EVERYONE elses pets in durability and DPS, and likewise, the mage donor gives durability bonuses to the mage pets which the necro donor has never had in any comparable way.

In fact, up until very recently, the necro donor produced a pet which was actually lower in DPS than the same pet with the VP clicky and chaotic darkness cast on it, by a margin of about 700-800 DPS.

Yep, you read that right.

As far as the parses and such go, even with a parse such as 22k DPS from the pet on Vlad - a ZERO AC dummy:

A:) That number goes down alot on real world mobs that have AC values substantially higher than zero.

B:) On short fights - like HOH trash for example, dots aren't viable, due to relatively low mob HP, so a pet is realistly all a necro has beyond clickies or low damage (relatively speaking) taps/nukes.

C:) Even if A and B weren't true, and blood power fired every time we cast cry for blood - basically doubling DOT damage whenever we wanted, we'd still do less DPS than wizards and work alot harder doing it.

To push a necro to its maximum potential, takes almost every focus in the game, gearwise, requires serious thought and consideration to get them in the right slots so you can have them all at the same time, AND is as "click intensive" as any class in the game...perhaps even more so...IF you want to get the absolute most DPS from the class that you can.

Or you can just cast dots, and tab to another box, and get...almost half of what you might get otherwise.


And really, point C is where the rubber meets the road:

Mage vs necro, necro vs mage...Its a false dichotomy. THE yardstick of caster DPS on THF, is the wizard, and this is as it should be. Until and unless either mage or necro start threatening wizard DPS in any real and true way, I can't necessarily say I see a problem.

If mage DPS is lower than necro DPS, or vice versa, its not each other they need to be measured against.

Its wizards. Or at the very least, wizards first.
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Re: Pets in general, usefelness in T8

Post#15 » Sat Apr 07, 2012 1:28 pm

Also take into mind that my post was back in November.. When the only dogs on the street were Mage 1.5, 2.0 and Necro 1.5..
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Re: Pets in general, usefelness in T8

Post#16 » Sat Apr 07, 2012 2:05 pm

Myrixo wrote:Also take into mind that my post was back in November.. When the only dogs on the street were Mage 1.5, 2.0 and Necro 1.5..


Um, T8 has been out since before November... not many people were up there yet. But the spells were out.

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